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Carlos Aranda
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-01-12 17:46:08 UTC

I see them killed pods and dramiels with no other ship on it.
I see in Battle overviews huge fleets died to them within minutes.


Is it that bad? Is it maybe overpowered?
Vandir Rael
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-01-12 17:58:53 UTC
When a target is 100km+ far it's not about tracking, but about signature resolution Smile
Alua Oresson
Aegis Ascending
Solyaris Chtonium
#3 - 2012-01-12 18:10:48 UTC
Whether it is overpowered is up for some debate. But, in my opinion, a titan's weakness should be vs subcaps. And the fact that they can fairly easily burn down close ranged ships when they stack tracking enhancers and tracking computers. Yeah, it's a problem.

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Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-01-12 19:49:58 UTC
The problem comes because the sigres and tracking terms in the turret formula are multiplicative, so sigres stops counting if you don't have angular against your target. This isn't an issue with 1 titan on the field, but is a problem with 50 Titans (or a pile of stasis webs) on the field.
Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#5 - 2012-01-12 20:06:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Wacktopia
To be honest, it's probably just a pod sitting in the middle of a bubble, waiting to die. If stationary then signature plays absolutely no part in the hit-chance formula.

As for the small ships... who knows. :$

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#6 - 2012-01-13 05:34:54 UTC
Carlos Aranda wrote:
Is it that bad? Is it maybe overpowered?


It Gud.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
JunkRaider
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-01-13 05:54:25 UTC
They might as well remove their ability to hit subcaps with guns. If that'll make you come out and play.Big smile
Murtific
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#8 - 2012-01-13 06:07:57 UTC
titan tracking is fine.

Sig res plays a huge part.

If a target has little angular velocity, it will die.


Why do you think drakes die in a fire no matter the speed or direction vs 1 titan.... Cool
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-01-13 10:25:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Onictus
Because many people have gotten ruined in a MWDing drake by titans that "can't" hit them.

It not a huge deal with one but where there are 20 ......find a way to line up with one of them.
Ilvari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2012-01-13 21:38:11 UTC
Murtific wrote:
titan tracking is fine.

Sig res plays a huge part.


That's the problem, titan sig res is too low. The +600% damage hull bonus should also come with a +600% sig res penalty.
Rel'k Bloodlor
Federation Front Line Report
Federation Front Line
#11 - 2012-01-13 21:51:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Rel'k Bloodlor
*face palm

@op

Ever been or seen fight out there? Bubbles. If the pod has to slow boat 20-100k to get out, civilian guns with no skills and all the booster penaltys will work, also lock time becomes moot.

Also it's a *choghdeathstarchough* what did you think it dose to other ships, one cost that much time and isk.

I wanted to paint my space ship red, but I couldn't find enough goats. 
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#12 - 2012-01-13 23:10:29 UTC
Rel'k Bloodlor wrote:
*face palm

@op

Ever been or seen fight out there? Bubbles. If the pod has to slow boat 20-100k to get out, civilian guns with no skills and all the booster penaltys will work, also lock time becomes moot.

Also it's a *choghdeathstarchough* what did you think it dose to other ships, one cost that much time and isk.


The Death Star was blown up by an X-Wing. The Death Star 2 was blown up by the Millenium Falcon. See that happening to a Titan in a supercap fleet?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Goose99
#13 - 2012-01-13 23:16:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Goose99
RubyPorto wrote:
Rel'k Bloodlor wrote:
*face palm

@op

Ever been or seen fight out there? Bubbles. If the pod has to slow boat 20-100k to get out, civilian guns with no skills and all the booster penaltys will work, also lock time becomes moot.

Also it's a *choghdeathstarchough* what did you think it dose to other ships, one cost that much time and isk.


The Death Star was blown up by an X-Wing. The Death Star 2 was blown up by the Millenium Falcon. See that happening to a Titan in a supercap fleet?


^This, there should be a (extremely small) percentage chance that every shot can instapop a supercap, no matter how much hp it has remaining.Cool
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#14 - 2012-01-13 23:23:18 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Rel'k Bloodlor wrote:
*face palm

@op

Ever been or seen fight out there? Bubbles. If the pod has to slow boat 20-100k to get out, civilian guns with no skills and all the booster penaltys will work, also lock time becomes moot.

Also it's a *choghdeathstarchough* what did you think it dose to other ships, one cost that much time and isk.


The Death Star was blown up by an X-Wing. The Death Star 2 was blown up by the Millenium Falcon. See that happening to a Titan in a supercap fleet?


^This, there should be a (extremely small) percentage chance that every shot can instapop a supercap, no matter how much hp it has remaining.Cool


Woah, Woah, Woah That is both not what I said, and ridiculously stupid. I want there to be a non-Supercap counter to a supercap group. Not a "Roll the Dice to see if Mr Rifter blows you up"

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-01-14 00:42:01 UTC
Ilvari wrote:
Murtific wrote:
titan tracking is fine.

Sig res plays a huge part.


That's the problem, titan sig res is too low. The +600% damage hull bonus should also come with a +600% sig res penalty.

No, it's that sig res SIMPLY STOPS MATTERING when your targets aren't able to maintain transversal on you AND all 20 of your Titan-flying buddies. Penalizing sig res of Titan guns simply won't do much about the situation.
Leysritt
The Last Remnant
#16 - 2012-01-14 01:01:59 UTC
Webbing and painting any ship or sitting at long range with zero angular will get hit.

Stop whining and learn2fly.

Tracking Titans have fairly weak tank compared to the standard titan fit, so stop whining like a little carebear and start shooting.

Titans have already managed to be nerfed from no longer having remote tracking and boosting work.

Having a webber and painter to help the Titan is called TEAMWORK.

If you have TEAMWORK then you should get rewarded. Stop whining like little babies about it.
Murtific
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#17 - 2012-01-14 03:35:31 UTC
Leysritt wrote:
Webbing and painting any ship or sitting at long range with zero angular will get hit.

Stop whining and learn2fly.



Like the above mentioned quote of which I agree with.....

Depending upon the type of fight and what the FC says about fitting requirements, titans fit for the battle as required.....

If 20 titans jump in to murder a sub-cap fleet, take a guess at how they will be fitted..... Fitted to kill your whining butt.....


Titan guns do exactly what titan's should do for the amount they cost Shocked
Patri Andari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
#18 - 2012-01-14 13:17:13 UTC
I heard this was the thread to discuss Leviathan?


-sup guys!



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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#19 - 2012-01-14 13:39:24 UTC
Patri Andari wrote:
I heard this was the thread to discuss Leviathan?


-sup guys!






You had your day. Now it's time to take your hooked nose and drive the bus.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
bartos100
Living Ghost
#20 - 2012-01-14 16:22:56 UTC
if a 20 man titan fleets jumps you they can refit on the fly if needed

so the current fit on a titan is not important they just need the mods on board (massive corp hanghar)
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