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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#1 - 2016-05-18 05:09:49 UTC
That it was a Khanid Emperor, Damius III, who ordered the invasion and complete subjugation of Minmatar space.

So, it can be argued, that everything that is wrong about the Empire, can be traced back and found to be the Khanid Family's fault in some way.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Karmilla Strife
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#2 - 2016-05-18 12:11:24 UTC
Once he became Damius III, Emperor of Amarr, he was no longer a member of the Khanid family, but of the Emperor family.
Yarosara Ruil
#3 - 2016-05-18 12:32:04 UTC
Does that mean that it's the Empire's fault that an Emperor of the Amarr Empire ordered the reclaiming of the Minmatar people for the Amarr Empire?

My mind is blown!
Cain Aloga
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#4 - 2016-05-18 12:44:52 UTC
I may be ignorant of the subtleties of the Amarrian power structure, however as previously stated, it is my understandinf that once he became emperor he seized being khanid.

As to the question of the origin of their flaws, it is clearly their religion.

While our warriors fight for our people's freedom, we in turn should fight for our people's prosperity.
Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2016-05-19 21:25:55 UTC
Maybe it wasn't wrong.

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Sanadras Riahn
Turbo Nuclear Pirate Punch
#6 - 2016-05-20 00:39:19 UTC
I'd just like to point out: This was something that happened nearly 900 years ago.

Things are slowly being repaired.

Could we stop being identified by a terrible thing in the past and, I dunno, focus on a more recent history?

Tradition defines and shapes a person, but should be evaluated frequently; far too often does Tradition no longer help, but hobble a person and stunt their growth. Especially a Capsuleer.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#7 - 2016-05-20 00:49:30 UTC
Sanadras Riahn wrote:
I'd just like to point out: This was something that happened nearly 900 years ago.

Things are slowly being repaired.

Could we stop being identified by a terrible thing in the past and, I dunno, focus on a more recent history?

Respectfully, while yes it is history, it's the history that drives many of them to continue supporting the attack and forceful indoctrination of our kin. Learn from history or be doomed to repeat it as they say. Things may be slowly repairing themselves, this history however is a roadblock in the way of that. Who cares of his kin, it's his religion that caused the atrocities, the religion of the empire he led at that time...
Sanadras Riahn
Turbo Nuclear Pirate Punch
#8 - 2016-05-20 02:17:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Sanadras Riahn
Deitra Vess wrote:
Sanadras Riahn wrote:
I'd just like to point out: This was something that happened nearly 900 years ago.

Things are slowly being repaired.

Could we stop being identified by a terrible thing in the past and, I dunno, focus on a more recent history?

Respectfully, while yes it is history, it's the history that drives many of them to continue supporting the attack and forceful indoctrination of our kin. Learn from history or be doomed to repeat it as they say. Things may be slowly repairing themselves, this history however is a roadblock in the way of that. Who cares of his kin, it's his religion that caused the atrocities, the religion of the empire he led at that time...


"I'm doing this because my religion said so" is the defense of weak-minded individuals.

"People are doing this because their religion said so!" is also the accusation of those who lack vision.

Hold the people who are doing this responsible, fight for the recovery of those oppressed. But the more we cast sweeping generalizations in the direction of Empires or Nations, the weaker we make ourselves. We are better than this. And if we aren't better than this, then we should be better than this. At this point, the only ones hobbling ourselves from progressing and being defined by actions we take now is ourselves.

Not everyone in the Amarr Empire condones slavery. Their late Empress freed many and pushed for more. It's time we stopped blaming the Amarr Empire for our problems.

Tradition defines and shapes a person, but should be evaluated frequently; far too often does Tradition no longer help, but hobble a person and stunt their growth. Especially a Capsuleer.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#9 - 2016-05-20 03:26:02 UTC
Sanadras Riahn wrote:


"I'm doing this because my religion said so" is the defense of weak-minded individuals.

"People are doing this because their religion said so!" is also the accusation of those who lack vision.

Hold the people who are doing this responsible, fight for the recovery of those oppressed. But the more we cast sweeping generalizations in the direction of Empires or Nations, the weaker we make ourselves. We are better than this. And if we aren't better than this, then we should be better than this. At this point, the only ones hobbling ourselves from progressing and being defined by actions we take now is ourselves.

Not everyone in the Amarr Empire condones slavery. Their late Empress freed many and pushed for more. It's time we stopped blaming the Amarr Empire for our problems.


In one hand we have the Amarr people, who have enslaved tortured and indoctrinated all they have met, or at least tried to in the name of their god and the associated religion. On the other hand we have the Matari people who had the longest period of peace ending when they met the Amarr who driven by that same religion attacked, enslaved, and wiped out a planet via orbital bombardment in the name of this same religion. Please, explain to me why this religion, not people, should not be held responsible?

To further go along this train of thought on one hand we have a religion that guides these people, on the other we have people who created said religion, followed by mindless drones who continue this vicious cycle by supporting such an antiquated notion of "supremacy by gods will" or what ever title their ancestors made up to make them feel better about their short comings on the diplomatic side of things. This in turn leading them to this belief that the actions from millennia ago are still the right action. Should they not..... heh, to take one of their own little notions, burn in hell?

Speaking for myself, there is a very big difference between the Amarr people (some of which even fight along side me in the TLF against their own) and the Amarr religion. The battlefield is not black and white, why waste paint if parts of what your painting over is the same shade of gray your using to cover up the extremes? They have their zealots, they should die. They have their pacifists, they should be left unharmed. Its simple really.
Cain Aloga
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#10 - 2016-05-20 04:42:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Cain Aloga
Sanadras Riahn wrote:

Not everyone in the Amarr Empire condones slavery. Their late Empress freed many and pushed for more. It's time we stopped blaming the Amarr Empire for our problems.


I agree in principal; that casting blame does little to solve the many problems that the Republic faces. We as a people, as the seven tribes of the Matari need to band together to secure the future and prosperity of our nation. This is something that only we can do.

However we can not forget the threat to our existence, the threat to our very identity that the Amarr pose to us. Their religion calls for the obliteration of our culture, of our traditions and our beliefs. You are correct that what happened in the past is indeed in the past, and that many in their empire might no longer support such actions. But make no mistake, the goal of the Amarr is conquer all and indoctrinate every being they encounter. We must guard against that to preserve who we are.

While our warriors fight for our people's freedom, we in turn should fight for our people's prosperity.
Sanadras Riahn
Turbo Nuclear Pirate Punch
#11 - 2016-05-20 14:08:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Sanadras Riahn
While I agree, Cain, in that regard, it's also important to realize that their religion calls for the conquering of literally everyone. The Caldari, the Gallente, and every independent faction from Delve to the Drone Regions is under that same threat. We are not special in any other regard than "it happened to us once", and I'm not certain what percentage of modern day Amarr actually believe in the literal translation of that particular part of their holy texts.

A page from the Gallente book is advised, honestly. Focus on strengthening our identity, our culture, our people, and our military. Focus on invention and innovation (this coming from a Sebiestor, I might be biased in that regard). Increase in automation so crew numbers on ships can go down and lives can be saved.

There's so much more we can do as a people than point fingers in the direction of the golden nebula in the sky and cry "evil". Including possibly opening trade talks to benefit from their technology.

Tradition defines and shapes a person, but should be evaluated frequently; far too often does Tradition no longer help, but hobble a person and stunt their growth. Especially a Capsuleer.