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Kenneth Feld
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#21 - 2016-02-04 21:34:53 UTC
erg cz wrote:
Kenneth Feld wrote:
erg cz wrote:
Right now T3 stuff requires POS to be invented. If medium citadels will not allow to use service modules needed, we will see T3 prices going up...



Why?

POS aren't going anywhere
Outposts aren't going anywhere
Statoins aren't changing....

What arbitrary thing could possibly cause T3 to rise?

If you are talking about the eventual removal of POS and Outpost, neither will be removed until ALL features are duplicated. Citadels are the first of 9 new structures, the research hubs will have research, invention, copying etc available.

I would estime pos removal sometime in 2018 if i had to guess....


POS will be replaced by citadels.

Here you can see, that there is no possibility to have research lab in medium citadel. So small manufactors will be out of the game. You need to invest 8-10 bilion ISK to be able to produce T3 in large citadel.



NO
NO
NO
NO
NO
and you are just plain wrong

POS are not being replaced by anything, they are being removed from the game - think 2018

You build in assembly arrays - think fall 2017
You research, invent, copy etc in research labs - think fall 2017

There are 9 new structures, Citadels are the first and are meant to be market hubs


POS or Outposts won't be removed until ALL of their features are duplicated in a new structure, which may be a citadel or one of the other 8 new structures.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#22 - 2016-02-05 00:44:51 UTC
erg cz wrote:
POS will be replaced by citadels.

Here you can see, that there is no possibility to have research lab in medium citadel. So small manufactors will be out of the game. You need to invest 8-10 bilion ISK to be able to produce T3 in large citadel.

Now I get why the tinfoil-hat crowd have their undergarments knotted.

See, that is what they call in the biz a "work in progress", or WIP, and "Don't tell your mom!"

One can't very well expect that EVERY detail is available in advance for dev blog or presentation graphics.

Nothing is set in stone until it hits Tranquility, and even then there can be adjustments. When things reach Singularity (or Duality or ... ), then there can be actual evaluation and feedback.
Max Fubarticus
K Diamond Holding LTD.
Bullets Bombs and Blondes
#23 - 2016-02-07 16:13:40 UTC
Kenneth Feld wrote:
erg cz wrote:
Right now T3 stuff requires POS to be invented. If medium citadels will not allow to use service modules needed, we will see T3 prices going up...



Why?

POS aren't going anywhere
Outposts aren't going anywhere
Statoins aren't changing....

What arbitrary thing could possibly cause T3 to rise?

If you are talking about the eventual removal of POS and Outpost, neither will be removed until ALL features are duplicated. Citadels are the first of 9 new structures, the research hubs will have research, invention, copying etc available.

I would estime pos removal sometime in 2018 if i had to guess....


Exactly! Thanks for making that clear. Often times people put the cart ahead of the horse.

Max

Civil discourse is uniquely human. After all, when is the last time a pride of lions and a herd of water buffalo negotiated SOV over a watering hole? Never. Someone either gets their ass kicked or eaten. At the end of the day someone holds SOV.

Morn Hylund
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2016-04-24 19:41:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Morn Hylund
erg cz wrote:


POS will be replaced by citadels.

Here you can see, that there is no possibility to have research lab in medium citadel. So small manufactors will be out of the game. You need to invest 8-10 bilion ISK to be able to produce T3 in large citadel.


Is this misinformation or actually true? So when the new service modules for labs come out, they will only be available for large+ citadels?

Seems like it would curtail a lot of activity in wormhole space for small corporations or independent players ...
Marcus Tedric
Zebra Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#25 - 2016-04-25 13:38:23 UTC
Morn Hylund wrote:
erg cz wrote:


POS will be replaced by citadels.

Here you can see, that there is no possibility to have research lab in medium citadel. So small manufactors will be out of the game. You need to invest 8-10 bilion ISK to be able to produce T3 in large citadel.


Is this misinformation or actually true? So when the new service modules for labs come out, they will only be available for large+ citadels?

Seems like it would curtail a lot of activity in wormhole space for small corporations or independent players ...


TBH - not 100% sure...yet

Firstly; during the Structures presentation on Saturday CCP (dear old Fozzie in this case) stated that the, previously separate, Assembly Arrays and Research Stations would be combined as Industry Arrays (Fall 16 iirc).

So - given that the 'Medium' version of this would be able to build anything Sub-cap; then I would be surprised if a Research Module couldn't be fitted.

That said - it still could be that, like the Market Module, then a Research Module could also be restricted to Large & XL.

TBF - given your comment, I would be surprised if BPOs were taken into WHs given their potential for loss - copies made in HS where the BPOs will be even safer now due to the 'recovery mechanic' is much more likely.

Don't soil your panties, you guys made a good point, we'll look at the numbers again. - CCP Ytterbium

Morn Hylund
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2016-04-28 18:44:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Morn Hylund
Marcus Tedric wrote:


TBH - not 100% sure...yet

Firstly; during the Structures presentation on Saturday CCP (dear old Fozzie in this case) stated that the, previously separate, Assembly Arrays and Research Stations would be combined as Industry Arrays (Fall 16 iirc).

So - given that the 'Medium' version of this would be able to build anything Sub-cap; then I would be surprised if a Research Module couldn't be fitted.

That said - it still could be that, like the Market Module, then a Research Module could also be restricted to Large & XL.

TBF - given your comment, I would be surprised if BPOs were taken into WHs given their potential for loss - copies made in HS where the BPOs will be even safer now due to the 'recovery mechanic' is much more likely.


FYI, just watched Eve Fanfest presentation on Structures, CCP Fozzie presenting. Interesting enough the new Industrial Arrays targeted for Fall? release will include Research - not just Manufacturing. And on the slide it states will be deployable on M Citadels.

Also Fozzie stated there will likely by separate Arrays for Research to specialize even further, in the future (probably not until next year).

Drilling platforms scheduled for Winter - although no mention of whether would be available for M Citadels.

So ... there you go.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#27 - 2016-04-28 20:49:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
There are two common threads that are getting confused.

CCP stated:
* Assembly and Mining structures (moon mining & reactions specifically mentioned) are coming.
* Citadels may be getting equivalent service modules & rigs, but they won't be as good as the specialized structures,

Drilling Platforms:
http://updates.eveonline.com/coming/winter/

Coming Winter wrote:
Structures: Drilling Platforms

Winter 2016 will see the introduction of the next class of player built structures: Drilling Platforms.

This set of structures will be primarily geared around resource gathering and could alter many aspects of creating and gaining mineral wealth within a solar system.
maniac69uk
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2016-05-13 16:33:43 UTC
Does anyone know when the compression plant is going to be inserted into the game?
Marcus Tedric
Zebra Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#29 - 2016-05-13 18:33:41 UTC
maniac69uk wrote:
Does anyone know when the compression plant is going to be inserted into the game?


It already has been!

The planned Reprocessing and Compression Modules for Citadels (and the future other structures) were combined into a single module: "Standup Reprocessing Facility I"

The blurb of which states: "The Standup Reprocessing Facility is a service module that allows the use of a reprocessing and compression facilities when installed into an Upwell technology structure. The default reprocessing rate is 50%, which may be further enhanced by the use of Standup rigs.

Standup is a proprietary system that uses a Structure Autonomous Nanoassembly Device (Upwell) containing integrated template software, a nanoassembler array and sufficient nanomass to enable the construction of a variety of service modules, structure modules and structure rigs when inserted into the appropriate slots on a structure built with Upwell technology."

{The bold and underline are mine}

The interesting thing to note, therefore, is that there are no charges/taxes for compression - which is quite the game-changer!

Don't soil your panties, you guys made a good point, we'll look at the numbers again. - CCP Ytterbium

maniac69uk
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2016-05-13 20:19:06 UTC
Thanks... was scouring the market for a compression plant.... doh!
PhatController
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#31 - 2016-05-19 01:04:20 UTC
I think a lot of people are getting Structures, and service modules mixed up:

Structures:
Citadels (M/L/L)


Services:
Refining/Compressing array (one module)
Market
Cloning




Things like manufacturing and research will be new Service modules. There will be new types of structures of various sizes, that will give different bonuses to various modules. Ie, I'm guessing there will be an more industry based Structure at some point that will give bonuses to Refining and manufacturing arrays, and probably another with bonuses to moon mining. Another thing to remember, is that although Citadel class structures are not available in small size, other Structures might be.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#32 - 2016-05-19 17:56:17 UTC
PhatController
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#33 - 2016-05-19 20:48:51 UTC
Marcus Tedric
Zebra Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#34 - 2016-05-19 21:00:13 UTC
PhatController wrote:


Yes, and the Structure "Industrial Array", will likely have no function without adding the appropriate service modules.


Indeed - and we're expecting both a Factory Module and a Research Module.

Don't soil your panties, you guys made a good point, we'll look at the numbers again. - CCP Ytterbium

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