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What The H-E-Double Hockey Sticks Happened to Mining?
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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#161 - 2016-05-19 18:18:30 UTC
Spine Ripper wrote:
You have really hit on the main complaint of people like yourself and Lucas. No matter how many times we tell you we really DO believe that highsec miners are ruining the game with their expectations of safety and constand demands for the nerfing of highsec aggression when their "safe space" gets invaded you persist in insisting that we are run of the mill griefers who just want to upset the noobs.
Again though, that's because your methods of doing so, your target selection and your harvesting of tears is directly counter to your stated goals. I prefer to believe that like many players in EVE you are simply hiding your real intentions rather than believing your are woefully incompetent. I think you're all pretty competent veteran players.

Spine Ripper wrote:
the battle against bot aspirancy
I really don;t think that means what you think it means. Bot aspirant players won't fly inefficiently in badly fit ships and respond with tears, they'll silently strip away belts in ships you tend to avoid ganking fit to balance yield and tank in the most efficient way possible. If you are after bot aspirants you are shooting the wrong people.

Spine Ripper wrote:
We know who ruined the Eve we loved to play.
Nobody did, which is why you are still here, right? You love to play the game as it is. I can't imagine you continue to play a game you dislike..

Spine Ripper wrote:
transform highsec from a place where players have the expectation that they can safely undock in whatever they choose, go whereever they want and sit around gathering ISK without any interaction much less interference from other players into somewhere a person thinks twice before hitting the undock button. Because on the other side, is us.
Yet many of us sit around doing exactly that, since you are shooting the wrong people. The great thing is that not only do you have no negative impact on players like myself you are actually killing the smaller competition, and when you gank a freighter there a small chance it's the hauler contracted with my overcollateralised product.

Again, play the game however you want, that's the beauty of a sandbox, but lets not pretend you hiding in highsec shooting people in disposable ships on empty alts isn't effectively the same as every other risk averse highsec player.

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Lisbeth Riraille
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#162 - 2016-05-19 19:42:13 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Lisbeth Riraille wrote:
Maybe a ganker's come out and simply said 'I like making other people unhappy and it's easy and not against the rules so eff you', sometimes, Nd I just missed it, I don't know.

From my extensive field research on the topic it is absolutely clear that miners are already pretty unhappy and we are not really needed for that part. If you kill a miner in the state of complete bot-aspirancy he will obviously vent all the bottled-up unhappiness against you.

I really enjoy miner tears, but not because the miner is unhappy, because it is a first sign of life, a first emotion from a bot-aspirant machine-like creature which made his first step in becoming human again. You see, you are mistaken if you think we just want to hurt people, we want to help them and to make them better again.

I know you are probably used to players which just grief and harass you and it's just natural that you expect the same from us. But we are New Order Agents and not your common ganker without purpose. If you would actually read the Code and embrace the words of our Saviour James 315 you would see that I am right and that it is our content creation which is the last chance Highsec has.

Praise James!


This is a good example of the roleplaying CODE does. It's repeating more of the same, so a bit pointless in terms of what the thread is about, however.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#163 - 2016-05-19 19:49:18 UTC
Morgan Agrivar wrote:
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Lisbeth Riraille
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#164 - 2016-05-19 19:52:55 UTC
Spine Ripper wrote:
Pandora Carrollon wrote:


Look, Black P, I actually like you. I don't dislike CODE or its tactics. What I dislike is that people take this stuff to the extreme, someone gets all insulted by it and changes to the game get made. Go ahead and keep saying the propaganda, some players may read it, drink that Kool-Aid and find kinship with fellow souls. I say "That's awesome!" and it adds to the game. However, please acknowledge that after it's all boiled down, CODE makes it's ISK by taking on defenseless targets and shaking them down for money. Everything else is just paint and curtains.

CODE members, like ALL corporations and alliances, must take a regular look at their effects on the game. If you aren't doing this, then you are a hazard to the game if you engage in trying to make changes to the game. If you come to the realization that your activities are forcing negative changes then maybe you might want to consider finding ways to adjust your methods to that everyone enjoys the game more.

Take your "Miner Bumping" for example. Had you guys put your OWN timer limitation, just as an improvement mechanism for your own members, CCP would not have had to do that for you. If after 5 minutes your bumpers couldn't get that Freighter or Mining barge off the location to gank it, then you guys should have had the courage and fortitude to say "Eh, we sucked at this one, let him go and we'll try again next time and this time we need to do..." This way you aren't utterly wasting another players time as well as your own. You give the other pilot a "Nice avoid, have a good one" in local and suddenly you start sounding more like an organization that actually believes their own ideology and not one solely interested in gank for profit.

If you guys start regularly doing THAT kind of mature thinking, on how to create content as well as protect OTHER players play styles AND avoid costing the game new players, then I'll start believing your propaganda is for real.


You have really hit on the main complaint of people like yourself and Lucas. No matter how many times we tell you we really DO believe that highsec miners are ruining the game with their expectations of safety and constand demands for the nerfing of highsec aggression when their "safe space" gets invaded you persist in insisting that we are run of the mill griefers who just want to upset the noobs.

With the easy acceptance of players from all over Eve into the New Order you may be correct on some accounts. But I can tell you from extensive time in the New Order and hours of conversation with the main long time Agents that the battle against bot aspirancy is a real motivation and that the ranks of the New Order are filled with former can flippers, ninja salvagers, corp awoxers and many of the other forms of highsec pvp that were destroyed by CCP in response to the whining and complaining of the low engagement players of highsec. As each of these other forms of emergent gameplay were ruined we were forced into the only remaining outlet, ganking. We know who ruined the Eve we loved to play.

That being said, we are not out for revenge. We are determined, instead, to show players, old and new, the evils of bot aspirancy and transform highsec from a place where players have the expectation that they can safely undock in whatever they choose, go whereever they want and sit around gathering ISK without any interaction much less interference from other players into somewhere a person thinks twice before hitting the undock button. Because on the other side, is us.

Waiting to take away whatever you have. Or, alternatively, to sell you a permit and get your support of our efforts.

I do find your suggestion of us self-limiting to be laughable. In null sec do people release their tackled opponents if they haven't destroyed them in a set amount of time? Do alliances drop their invasions if the system hasn't fallen in some arbitrarily set time? Do you slap your opponents across the face with a leather glove or make sure both sides have equal forces before engaging? No, you don't as it would be rediculous to set aside your goals for some arbitrary "rules of engagement". Well, when you are determined to save all of highsec in eight years, the stated goal of the New Order, there is no room for self-imposed limitations. Or mercy for that matter.


8 years? How long have they been doing their thing so far? I've not noticed any huge difference in the state of hisec in the past 2 years at least.

It's unlikely to reach any sort of endpoint where the New Order can say 'every miner has a permit! We win!', or conversely ' 8 years is up, we failed, we'll stop now'.

The 8 years thing has to just be more roleplaying.
Spine Ripper
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#165 - 2016-05-19 20:25:52 UTC
Lisbeth Riraille wrote:


8 years? How long have they been doing their thing so far? I've not noticed any huge difference in the state of hisec in the past 2 years at least.

It's unlikely to reach any sort of endpoint where the New Order can say 'every miner has a permit! We win!', or conversely ' 8 years is up, we failed, we'll stop now'.

The 8 years thing has to just be more roleplaying.


Its an estimate.

The New Order is 4 years into the plan at this point.

http://www.minerbumping.com/2014/01/how-new-order-will-achieve-final.html

All Highsec miners must follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct or be subject to bumping or ganking.  No permit, no mining. www.minerbumping.com
Lisbeth Riraille
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#166 - 2016-05-19 21:00:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Lisbeth Riraille
Spine Ripper wrote:
Lisbeth Riraille wrote:


8 years? How long have they been doing their thing so far? I've not noticed any huge difference in the state of hisec in the past 2 years at least.

It's unlikely to reach any sort of endpoint where the New Order can say 'every miner has a permit! We win!', or conversely ' 8 years is up, we failed, we'll stop now'.

The 8 years thing has to just be more roleplaying.


Its an estimate.

The New Order is 4 years into the plan at this point.

http://www.minerbumping.com/2014/01/how-new-order-will-achieve-final.html



Um, not sure why double-post. Ignore this one.
Lisbeth Riraille
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#167 - 2016-05-19 21:04:46 UTC
Spine Ripper wrote:
Lisbeth Riraille wrote:


8 years? How long have they been doing their thing so far? I've not noticed any huge difference in the state of hisec in the past 2 years at least.

It's unlikely to reach any sort of endpoint where the New Order can say 'every miner has a permit! We win!', or conversely ' 8 years is up, we failed, we'll stop now'.

The 8 years thing has to just be more roleplaying.


Its an estimate.

The New Order is 4 years into the plan at this point.

http://www.minerbumping.com/2014/01/how-new-order-will-achieve-final.html



That roleplay blog post is morw like a goal descriptiom that a plan pf how to go about acheiving that goal.
Spine Ripper
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#168 - 2016-05-19 21:09:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Spine Ripper
Lisbeth Riraille wrote:
Spine Ripper wrote:
Lisbeth Riraille wrote:


8 years? How long have they been doing their thing so far? I've not noticed any huge difference in the state of hisec in the past 2 years at least.

It's unlikely to reach any sort of endpoint where the New Order can say 'every miner has a permit! We win!', or conversely ' 8 years is up, we failed, we'll stop now'.

The 8 years thing has to just be more roleplaying.


Its an estimate.

The New Order is 4 years into the plan at this point.

http://www.minerbumping.com/2014/01/how-new-order-will-achieve-final.html



That roleplay blog post is morw like a goal descriptiom that a plan pf how to go about acheiving that goal.


Sorry, figured you could work a website. I was actually showing you where the eight year timeline came from. If you want to know the full details on how the New Order will win you have to read all three parts.

http://www.minerbumping.com/2014/01/how-new-order-will-achieve-final_22.html

http://www.minerbumping.com/2014/01/how-new-order-will-achieve-final_23.html

All Highsec miners must follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct or be subject to bumping or ganking.  No permit, no mining. www.minerbumping.com
Exaido
Fire Over Light
Astral Alliance
#169 - 2016-05-19 21:18:43 UTC
CODE only seems to be active in very specific areas. Moving freight through Udema in a blockade runner I've never been hit. Mining in high-sec in a low traffic areas, I've not only rarely seen anyone but have never run into CODE. If you run a sufficiently tanked Procurer (50K+ EHP), keep a flight of light drones - mining doesn't seem to be too much of an issue if you are at the keyboard. Freighting, anything heavier, with the fix for align-time, an ORCA will run 200K+ EHP. The only time I lost anything, was a capsule, when I was AFK - lost a lot of expensive implants but it was a good lesson. So mining in high-sec is scarcely dangerous with a little bit of prep-work. There's also the anti-gank channels if you want to really move through Udema or high-risk areas.
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#170 - 2016-05-19 21:39:11 UTC
Posting in a stealth CODE attention seeking thread. They must be getting attention hungry since AT time is coming up.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Lisbeth Riraille
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#171 - 2016-05-19 23:04:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Lisbeth Riraille
Spine Ripper wrote:
Lisbeth Riraille wrote:
Spine Ripper wrote:
Lisbeth Riraille wrote:


8 years? How long have they been doing their thing so far? I've not noticed any huge difference in the state of hisec in the past 2 years at least.

It's unlikely to reach any sort of endpoint where the New Order can say 'every miner has a permit! We win!', or conversely ' 8 years is up, we failed, we'll stop now'.

The 8 years thing has to just be more roleplaying.


Its an estimate.

The New Order is 4 years into the plan at this point.

http://www.minerbumping.com/2014/01/how-new-order-will-achieve-final.html



That roleplay blog post is morw like a goal descriptiom that a plan pf how to go about acheiving that goal.


Sorry, figured you could work a website. I was actually showing you where the eight year timeline came from. If you want to know the full details on how the New Order will win you have to read all three parts.

http://www.minerbumping.com/2014/01/how-new-order-will-achieve-final_22.html

http://www.minerbumping.com/2014/01/how-new-order-will-achieve-final_23.html


Thanks for finding those links for me, I couldn't be bothered to.

I read the rest of the RP post about 'the plan', and it's still a pretty nebulous goal with no details apart from 'bump and gank'. It has to be, of course, as it of necessity needs to actually not be achievable in order for the fun to continue. It's like WoW raids, you never finish the narrative, you just keep repeating them. The New Order needs an endless crusade with no literal endpoint, or the gank fun stops.

'Control of hisec' can be claimed easily in roleplay terms like James does on his blog.
Scruffled
#172 - 2016-05-20 00:30:45 UTC
Yo sup
Pandora Carrollon
Provi Rapid Response
#173 - 2016-05-20 03:12:48 UTC
Spine Ripper wrote:
(snip... lot's of Kool Aid)


I find it funny that you actually believe what the "New Order" is selling. I really don't have an issue with that, whatever you find to drive your motivation is cool by me.

You are mistaken in thinking I am defending HiSec miners. I am not. I understand what they do and why they do it. I suggest you ACTUALLY study and ask HiSec miners why they do it. You might find it doesn't quite line up with what your beloved James and New Order says they do.

I've had my say; trying to reason with fanatics is usually a process in frustration. People can choose whatever they want to believe.

One final thought...

Isn't it just a teeny, tiny bit arrogant to assume that any group of players in a sandbox has the right to try to dictate a certain play style on other players by force? Just a thought.


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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#174 - 2016-05-20 05:18:16 UTC
Pandora Carrollon wrote:
Isn't it just a teeny, tiny bit arrogant to assume that any group of players in a sandbox has the right to try to dictate a certain play style on other players by force? Just a thought.

We don't try to dictate a "playstyle", we just enforce some common sense rules and try to improve good behaviour. I am not sure why anyone gets so upset about this. I mean there are a lot of other areas where we don't claim ownership. If you don't like it in Highsec and want to do whatever you want, go mine in null.

Evil RatKid
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#175 - 2016-05-20 05:33:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Last time I saw CODE in one of my mining system they completely ignored my two Skiffs, so I was a bit hurt by their lack of attention, so I jumped into a Stratios and probed them down just after they hit someone, found a flashy red pod sitting next to two empty Catalysts so I podded it with about 60m worth of implants. Please come again...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#176 - 2016-05-20 06:05:11 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Last time I saw CODE in one of my mining system they completely ignored my two Skiffs, so I was a bit hurt by their lack of attention, so I jumped into a Stratios and probed them down just after they hit someone, found a flashy red pos sitting next to two empty Catalysts so I podded it with about 60m worth of implants. Please come again...

You podded a POS? another good Dracvlad story. Something for the grandchildren.

Evil RatKid
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#177 - 2016-05-20 06:17:16 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Last time I saw CODE in one of my mining system they completely ignored my two Skiffs, so I was a bit hurt by their lack of attention, so I jumped into a Stratios and probed them down just after they hit someone, found a flashy red pos sitting next to two empty Catalysts so I podded it with about 60m worth of implants. Please come again...

You podded a POS? another good Dracvlad story. Something for the grandchildren.


I don't know sitting AFK in space like that, almost like a bot he was, and he did not have a ganking permit, ah I mis-typed pos instead of pod, well a pos does not have implants, I will correct that, but in any case I would have thought you had the ability to make that alteration, CODE disappoints once again....

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Coralas
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#178 - 2016-05-20 06:27:17 UTC
Exaido wrote:
CODE only seems to be active in very specific areas.
...
mining doesn't seem to be too much of an issue if you are at the keyboard.
...


If you feel you need to be at the keyboard, then CODE won.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#179 - 2016-05-20 06:31:40 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
I don't know sitting AFK in space like that, almost like a bot he was, and he did not have a ganking permit, ah I mis-typed pos instead of pod, well a pos does not have implants, I will correct that, but in any case I would have thought you had the ability to make that alteration, CODE disappoints once again....

Usually yes, but since this was coming from you it would not be surprised if you actually tried to tell us a story about how you podded a POS. I am sure you did not even have to probe it, you find them by chance by dropping bookmarks mid-warp.

Evil RatKid
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#180 - 2016-05-20 06:36:53 UTC
Coralas wrote:
Exaido wrote:
CODE only seems to be active in very specific areas.
...
mining doesn't seem to be too much of an issue if you are at the keyboard.
...


If you feel you need to be at the keyboard, then CODE won.


Sorry but you have to be at the keyboard to target another roid, it is not automatic like ratting with an Ishtar. I find it rather ironic that certain Goons who are part of this CODE thing or helped fund it would rat like that while decrying AFK miners, in fact it is utterly hilarious.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp