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The Dark Light will return from the heart of the mother..

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Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
#21 - 2011-12-11 12:30:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Wyke Mossari
I think Macaper has a duality, it is ancient forgotten history of EVE as much as prophecy. I'm sure this duality is an intentional ambiguity as a great story telling device to further the mystery. I therefore try to look for the historical meaning as well as the prophetic meaning.

"what was many now becomes one when one becomes four

The historical meaning "when one becomes four" must be the split of one of the earlier Jove Empires splinting in to the four ancient races as an allegory of the Tetrarchy. When 'many becomes one' - not sure but this might be many people becoming 'informorphs'.

"return of the dark light from the heart of the mother"

One prophetic interpretation of this must be the Super Weapon from the region of the EVE gate. The 'dark light' being the weapon and the 'heart of the mother' it's retrieval from the Eve Gate (Heart) in the New Eden (System) of the Eve (Constellation) (Mother).

the appetite of nothing expands over the world

And it's longer form from the Erebus Titan description, perhaps more relevant to the ancient history of EVE.

Quote:
From the formless void's gaping maw, there springs an entity. Not an entity such as any you can conceive of, nor I; an entity more primordial than the elements themselves, yet constantly coming into existence even as it is destroyed. It is the Child of Chaos, the Pathway to the Next.

The darkness shall swallow the land, and in its wake there will follow a storm, as the appetite of nothing expands over the world.

From the formless void's gaping maw, there springs an entity.

Erebus of Greek legendary poem Theogony. Remember the Titans are the Greek gods that preceded the Olympian gods.

'Formless void's gaping maw' : Possibly the maelstrom at the Eve Gate.
'An Entity' : A titan class vessel (?)
'primordial' : the first titan.
'Pathway to the Next' : Death? / An (infomorph) Ark?

“the little brother makes the final sorrowful steps home; he is not welcome”

Prophetically it appears to be Kuvakei but we know his return is modern development of the storyline, though perhaps he was choosen to fulfil that role rather than the who being pre-determined. Eve Historically I cannot think of what this means. Allegorically it reminds me of the return to Rome from Egypt of Mark Antony.

BTW the quotes are extracted on the Talk page of the The Prophecy of Macaper (Chronicle)
Roga Dracor
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#22 - 2011-12-11 20:29:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Roga Dracor
"What was many becomes one when one becomes four"

"We are not equal, cut us twice and we are."

What was many divided factions become one faction (Ishaeka: Second Force deployed against Nation) in response to Sansha's return and his four "simulacrums", for want of a better term. Sansha would appear to have four simultaneously active clones running about.. Wonder who THEY could be? It is stated in one of the books that this is how Sansha exists, don't like it, don't blame me.

We are not equal, cut us twice and we are, seems to hold deeper meaning than the simple fact that Sansha has divided his essence into four avatars to increase the possibility of his eventual success over humanity. It seems to hold a key to the nature of the big lie and an ongoing eugenics program..

Biotechnology is becoming commonplace in New Eden. Tech 3 ships are "alive" and more akin to an extension of the Capsuleers own body. Jovian ships are "alive", it is insinuated in several places. You lose skills when you lose a Tech 3 ship because you are so in tune to the ship, that it's destruction causes brain damage and psychological trauma.

That last was thrown in as support for a thread on the Summit that was greeted with derision, which is kinda funny, because he is right..P

It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.

Ghost Hunter
True Slave Foundations
#23 - 2011-12-14 16:51:58 UTC
My issue with attributing anything to the Prophecy of Macaper (something I am guilty of before) is that it has the inherent issue all prophecies do. It is decidedly vague enough that its only in hindsight can you attribute anything with some certainty - making it effectively useless. For any one situation listed so far that people have attributed clearly to the Sansha, I can equally attribute to something else in the game world. The only thing I don't understand is why people are so keen on the prophecy.

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Roga Dracor wrote:
What was many divided factions become one faction (Ishaeka: Second Force deployed against Nation) in response to Sansha's return and his four "simulacrums", for want of a better term. Sansha would appear to have four simultaneously active clones running about.. Wonder who THEY could be? It is stated in one of the books that this is how Sansha exists, don't like it, don't blame me.

We are not equal, cut us twice and we are, seems to hold deeper meaning than the simple fact that Sansha has divided his essence into four avatars to increase the possibility of his eventual success over humanity. It seems to hold a key to the nature of the big lie and an ongoing eugenics program..


Are you referencing The Burning Life or something else? In that specific case, short of going to reread my copy, it only demonstrates one active clone.

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Roga Dracor
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#24 - 2011-12-14 17:06:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Roga Dracor
I still haven't read the books, but, ya, it was in reference to a portion of the book posted to forums, where if my memory serves, someone had a meeting with Sansha and he spoke though quite a few True Slaves simultaneously, suggesting his consciousness (hyper) is unfettered by the temporal issues of self. He can be conscious in more than one simulacrum simultaneously.

Granted I haven't read the book, nor even the complete chapter.

It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.

Ghost Hunter
True Slave Foundations
#25 - 2011-12-14 18:37:11 UTC
Roga Dracor wrote:
I still haven't read the books, but, ya, it was in reference to a portion of the book posted to forums, where if my memory serves, someone had a meeting with Sansha and he spoke though quite a few True Slaves simultaneously, suggesting his consciousness (hyper) is unfettered by the temporal issues of self. He can be conscious in more than one simulacrum simultaneously.

Granted I haven't read the book, nor even the complete chapter.


I will have to see the passage your referencing, but as far as my understanding goes he was in a room present with many clones - but only spoke through one prepared clone.

Also spoilers lol

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Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
#26 - 2011-12-17 09:38:35 UTC
Ghost Hunter wrote:
My issue with attributing anything to the Prophecy of Macaper (something I am guilty of before) is that it has the inherent issue all prophecies do. It is decidedly vague enough that its only in hindsight can you attribute anything with some certainty - making it effectively useless. For any one situation listed so far that people have attributed clearly to the Sansha, I can equally attribute to something else in the game world. The only thing I don't understand is why people are so keen on the prophecy.


I agree that it is largely useless as a predictive tool, but think it does successfully provide two features/capabilities.

1) It provides a hook for player driven RP plot developments. If sufficient players believe something, act on it, write it up in the wiki or ISG, then it does ipso-facto become part of the canon, even when it is 'wrong' i.e. the interpretation differs from the content development team vision. It is common IRL for people to believe something that differs from real events of history.

2) Enhancing enjoyment of the mystery of the storyline.
Publius Valerius
AirGuard
LowSechnaya Sholupen
#27 - 2011-12-17 11:59:54 UTC
Wyke Mossari wrote:
Ghost Hunter wrote:
My issue with attributing anything to the Prophecy of Macaper (something I am guilty of before) is that it has the inherent issue all prophecies do. It is decidedly vague enough that its only in hindsight can you attribute anything with some certainty - making it effectively useless. For any one situation listed so far that people have attributed clearly to the Sansha, I can equally attribute to something else in the game world. The only thing I don't understand is why people are so keen on the prophecy.


I agree that it is largely useless as a predictive tool, but think it does successfully provide two features/capabilities.

1) It provides a hook for player driven RP plot developments. If sufficient players believe something, act on it, write it up in the wiki or ISG, then it does ipso-facto become part of the canon, even when it is 'wrong' i.e. the interpretation differs from the content development team vision. It is common IRL for people to believe something that differs from real events of history.

2) Enhancing enjoyment of the mystery of the storyline.


I would almost say the same, even when Im not a fan the "Prophecy of Macaper", it provide a Lost feeling. Meaning like the old TV Series Lost, something to think and investigate about. The same will count for Arek'Jaalan project of CCP Dropbear, after it is finish the real interpretion will start.

I would love to have those classes ingame. See here:

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/376566/march-07-2011/joshua-foer

Publius Valerius
AirGuard
LowSechnaya Sholupen
#28 - 2011-12-18 16:38:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Publius Valerius
Publius Valerius wrote:
The same will count for Arek'Jaalan project of CCP Dropbear, after it is finish the real interpretion will start.


CCP Dropbear if you read this, their is just one reason why Im not in, to do thisSmile I will interpretin the "sh** out of it" P

I think most likley it was already post, but for the one or two which havent heard it: Podcast: Episode 31

I would love to have those classes ingame. See here:

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/376566/march-07-2011/joshua-foer

Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
#29 - 2012-01-07 10:21:32 UTC

I think most of the ideas in this thread could be taken IC in IGS.
Mirajane Cromwell
#30 - 2012-01-14 14:29:46 UTC
I've always thought that the prophecy doesn't include human made events. The prophecies that have already happened where natural catastrophies ie. low chance events that might occur in the universe when enough time passes. See the events that have explanation:

1st: "the cosmetic kiss of the comets" = two large comets collided head on in Caldari system
2nd: "???" = the Gallante planet Fricoure had rains that last weeks
3rd: "roaring stone that silences the world." = huge asteroid hit Amarrian planet at low orbit causing deafness to thousands of people

Now based on those past events I've been thinking what the following prophecies might be:

4th: "the appetite of nothing expands over the world" = huge solar flare that blows away a planet's atmosphere? Or a planet changes from one form to another, like oceanic planet freezing into solid ice in some unknown catastrophy? Could also be black hole consuming a (habitated) planet or a planet disappearing into a wormhole?

5th: "the little brother makes the final sorrowful steps home; he is not welcome" = rogue planetoid found on collision course with a planet? The orbit of the planetoid could have been so huge that it has taken milleniums for it to come back near the star and this time it's on collision course.

6th: "what was many now becomes one when one becomes four" = star's life cycle going from regular star to red giant? one becomes four could mean fusion process where hydrogen (atom mass 1) has been used up and then star uses helium in fusion process (atom mass 4) and stars changing to red giant and in the process the closest planeets in the system will be merged to the star as it expands over the planets' orbits.

7th: "return of the dark light from the heart of the mother" = this one could have something to do with the Eve gate's wormhole - perhaps a singularity/blackhole comes through it and by doing so destroyes the nearby star systems. Or it could mean that one of the biggest star's in the cluster ends its days in supernova event and turns into a blackhole (what are the biggest stars, the blue ones?).

Another note about these prophecies is that so far the events have happened in Caldari, Gallante and Amarr space - so I think the next one might happen in Minmatar space but since we don't have instruments to pinpoint any of the prophecies' locations before they happen, this is just a pure guess.
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