EVE General Discussion

I agree with most of what you said. The point is i have no way to deal with it so i leave. I answered to this topic simply because i was upset i couldn't fight back and wanted to say it was not that easy to do.

Don't play station games with wardec corps in highsec. Here are some tips you can try to either succeed, or at least avoid failing:

1. Make insta-undocks. These are bookmarks typically at least 200km - 1000km away. When you undock, and someone is camping you, just warp to the instant undock and you will be able to get away. In fact, take some time when the enemy isn't around to fly in a fast ceptor and make bookmarks EVERYWHERE.

2. The key to avoid him re-docking is either to get him to aggress, or pull him away from station. A few tactical bookmarks and warp ins can help pull him away from docking range. To get him to aggress, use bait, and have your corpmate ready in a DPS heavy ship. Another thing you can do is bumping him in a larger ship (also works as bait). Just undocking and locking him up to attack won't do anything since he can dock up at any time if he's not aggressed.

3. Learn to fit your ships properly (in case you don't know how to).

4. Deploy elsewhere for a few weeks. Don't bring everything you need, just a few ships + mods. Let them come hunt you, you could always just move around. Low sec is especially good. Don't know anyone in low sec? Pick a quiet corner out of FW zone, or make friends with some pirates :)

The idea is to make hunting you as difficult for them as possible, and where they find you, you take them out every time.

Really, this should all be advise that is given to you by more experienced players. Being in a newbie corp (as in, everyone in the corp is a newbie) is a death sentence since you're telling the world that 'Hey, I'm ready to stand on my own feet and play with the big boys' when you form a corp. My recommendations is for you and your friends to join another corporation that has the same objectives as you, and fit well with your personalities (you could always ignore other people in corp). Learn as much of game mechanics and how to defend a corporation from the older / more experienced corp members. You can always restart your new corp again once you have a better grasp of the mechanics.

Station games are cancer anyway, and you shouldn't be playing them. Station games in highsec are cancerous AIDS.

Kaelhula Waki, thanks for explaining it from the viewpoint of a new player. Basically agreeing with what I and a number of players have been saying. And of course my thanks to certain players who detailed what you can do against merc war dec corps / alliances.

I would advise people to go to Zkill, then do a seach for Vendetta Mercenary Group, then click losses and select that Stratios loss, then click related. Now you see what you have to deal with, it is something like that, or a GTFO svipul. I was listening the other day to a certain very good hisec PvP player who had gone after war deccers and he said it was either GTFO ships that ran away or they moved in groups that he was unable to deal with. Now look at what took out that VMG gang, a WH alliance fleet funded perhaps by the main courier contract scam ganker. So without beating around the bush, how many hisec entities can deal with that and look what was needed to take them down, note the two out of alliance Guardians... Now go back to the losses, a Mega killed by 13 man fleet of -A-, what else do we see, another merc group getting a kill on them or small tackle losses. Keep looking at the losses and get a feel, then head off and look at the kills, you will see some nice 4 men fleets in shiny ships which are of course backed up by the two out of alliance guardians.

That is what you have to deal with. Ralph King-Griffin gave a very good view of how to get kills, but my point is simply this, there is very very few hisec entities that have the numbers and a strong enough core group to take that on. I had a good look at VMG, as I did at all the others that war decced me, I watched them carefully during my TZ, I know what they do, often how and where. I know what I can do, or in reality what I cannot do.

In reality if I go after that all I am doing is giving them kills, however I might get lucky, after all I am pretty used to this type of nab a kill get out type of fighting, but generally its very difficult to catch a group that is very well grouped or using GTFO ships on pipes and VMG are certainly that. I could say the same for BAW. Marmite stay in one real area now, so thats difficult to do on them. A better player than me said he could not do it.

In truth what hisec entity has the ability to fight that, when the majority are one men corps or indy / mission running corps built around a few people.

I will of course be told that I am whining or some sort of throw away line, but changing hisec is important for this game, which is why war decs matter and why my suggestion based around Observatory structures and some sort of constellation level watch list ability could have an impact because people could then resist by attacking those structures and impede the merc operations in their endeavours which gives leverage above not playing for a week or two and make people like Kaelhula Waki feel they can fight back in some way.

News from the front !

The ennemy succeded in destroying an dreadful Orca when he was picking up the last modules of the PoS. What a thrilling fight it was !...

Irony apart I thought i would come back next year to see if but now i'm not so sure now.

Wardec are fine.

Soz Pandora if i'm a bit bitter and not that positive.

The buddy list used to tell you if they were online or not, and most of the time the person you had there did not know you had them there. I would go to evewho and put each member of a corporation I was wardeccing onto the list and it would tell me if they were online or not. Then I would use locater agents to find what system they were in, then get in my PvP ship and go say hello with guns blazing.

Now, to see them online, they have to approve the 'invite' to the buddy list. You can have them on your watch list but they won't appear online unless they approve it. I had one person on my buddy list and it showed he was offline, but I saw him in local one day.

The issue with the locater agents now is it doesn't tell you if they are online (active) or not, it just says where they are. They could have been docked up and inactive for days or weeks. Completely uneffective if hunting wartargets during a war.

CCP, please bring the watchlist back. Screw capital pilots.

It's not so much that those people benefit from it, rather that's the type gameplay that it is most conducive to and that that particular use of it has a snowballing effect.

The short answer is that wars are both fairly expensive and quite dangerous for a small or inexperienced group to pursue as a sustainable source of content without a fairly significant income source. This is what leads to the whole big fat merc alliance thing.

The loss of the watchlist just serves to make actually finding a small number of people or single individuals who have no particular need to be in a specific place extremely difficult while it doesn't affect trade hub camping in any way at all.

Stalker begone. So no. Hell no.

You can quit and let them win or you can beat them.
1. switch corp. Switch to an NPC corp for the wardecc. Go out and wave at them, they can kill you but they will loose their ships too: not likely. They will just waste their money. Or make a new corp and switch to another when they decc the new one. They will realize that they are just spending money but will get nothing out of it. Taunt them when they can't harm you.

2. go where they don't want to go. Go to Null or low: There are miner renter corps and not just PVP corps. There you have organized resistance that can easily match wardeccers, cause there they loose all their advantages.

CCP trys to be fair but Eve isn't build around "fair". A scam that will get you kicked out of any other game is legal in EVE.

There is more then just high sec and war deccs. At least try it before you leave. A wardecc in null or low is a joke and more of a statement then a real threat.

Oh its worse than that. When I was in a corp not in alliance we were wardecced mainly for extortion purposes.

I almost understand corps like Astara who basically create 10 shell corps and then anytime they are wardecced just rotate making the wardec useless. The LLC sounds like a great idea.