EVE General Discussion

Sigh.

The New Order is perhaps one of the most transparent, and well-documented organizations ever appearing in Eve Online. If you want to understand what motivates James 315 and his merry band it's all there. There are lengthy manifestos, shorter forums posts, TMC articles and almost four years of daily blog posts detailing what motivated James 315 to found the New Order, why the New Order continues it campaign in highsec, and detailed description of the methods used.

Yet with this bounty of information, still many players fall back on the tired tropes of "bullying" and "not real PvP" to explain the action of this player group instead of spending any effort to understand the virtual universe around them and the players in it. That's fine of course. Players are free to numb their minds by staring at pretty mining lasers all day and not consider what motivates the other players they share New Eden with, but they really then should not come to these forums all indignant and outraged like the OP when they lose to another player in this PvP sandbox game, or with accusations of harassment and bullying. Wallowing in ignorance is not a path to success in both life, and in Eve Online.

Ultimately the motivations don't matter though. Play how you want. CCP has built a sandbox and if you choose to ignore the risk of the other players and repeated lose your stuff, or pigeonhole yourself into terribly efficient gameplay in some shortsighted attempt at defense so that you get left behind both economically and in terms of fun, don't be surprised if you fail non-stop, both daily and continually. Of course, I would prefer an enlightened and educated player-base who understands what type of game they are playing, but that isn't a requirement to buy a subscription and undock a ship in this game.

CCP has, probably mostly out of pity, offered players the robust safety net of the Skiff and Procurer, which provide near complete protection from gankers but at a significant cost to yield. If you are incapable of figuring out another way to earn resources, you can use them to mine in highsec albeit at a noticeable loss in efficiency, but don't delude yourself into thinking you have somehow beaten the New Order. You may think that is your choice, but piloting that tanked, low-yield ship is really what we forced you to demean yourself to. We don't, as some seem to imagine, wipe tears from our eyes or shake our fists in anger at the sight of them. Actually, we smile every time we see a belt full of Skiffs and Procurers as it is a tangible sign of our progress in controlling highsec and take it a sign we have done a good job. Forcing carebears to accept such cuts to their income in response to the risk we pose is a real sign of our influence over the game play of others.

This is why the Code always wins. Either you comply to our will, adjusting your game play to account for the threat we pose and thus acknowledge our claim to highsec, or we get to explode you. It's all good either way, and is exactly the type of game CCP set out to design.

The New Order is the distilled essence of Eve Online: a player-driven source of risk that generates content and conflict in the most content-starved sector of space. The very future of the game depends on the continued existence of content creators like the New Order. Therefore fundamentally, it the love of Eve Online and concern for her future that motivates me to log on each time to enforce the Code, but certainly the pretty explosions and loot drops that happen along the way don't hurt.

The great thing is though it doesn't matter if you understand why you were exploded. The New Order is completely open about why it does what it does and I am happy to help someone understand our motivations, but whether you are open-minded Gallant who wants to understand, or a Goofus who cries "bully" or "not real PvP" in their confusion of the universe around them, you are subject to my blasters, and by extension my will, all the same.

Actually it's generally a sign that a multiboxer is sitting there raking in income while almost completely AFK. I've even rolled out a new multibox fleet recently so they can passively pull in some isk while I play PS4. With SP trading CCP have made that an even more lucrative option as the accounts themselves are effectively free once the miner is fully trained.

FTFY. Effectively you move goalpost when you don't succeed so you can fake success. Whatever way you look at it though, you're hanging around in ships even cheaper and more disposable than the procurers you claim you are beating. But since you are dedicating your time to them while they continue to play in the style they want to, no matter how you move those goalposts, you're on the losing side.

The distilled essence of EVE Online is hiding in highsec using only cheap dispoable ships to attack players who for the most part are the newest, least experienced or low skilled players? Stop beign ridiculous. If CODE stopped existing tomorrow the only things we'd notice is less troll posts on he forum and less sperging in local.

farm and sell lyavite.

How to mine like a 'carebear' in Eve:

First, bear in mind these 2 rules:

Rule 1: Everyone is an ********.
Rule 2: It's all tears.

Just keep these in mind while playing. Don't live by them, there are loads of nice people playing who'll offer genuineky good-natured advice, help, and even free stuff to you. But keeping them in mind may help your peace of mind if you ever get ganked or scammed. This is in general a rare occurence despite the drama you might see on the forums, especially in the Crime & Punishment forum.

Secondly, stay on an NPC corp to start with, and do mining missions. When you get about 30 million ISK in your wallet, you can afford to get a few cheap ventures fitted for hisec mining. Ask in Help channel for a good cheap venture fit, get a few spares. If you are unlucky enough to encounter suicide gankers, ignore them, try to escape, and if you don't, don't let it bother you. Do not talk to them, it just encourages them. Imagine you're in a bar and an angry drunk is bothering you. Go somewhere else, interacting is pointless.

Ask in Help for a gamk-resistant hisec Procurer fit, and save up to get one and the skills to fly it. If you have the means and/or the patience, get two identical procurers so if one is destroyed, you can just shrug, log, watch an episode of The Flash and then carry on.

I'm no expert, but those who are will tell you that procurers fitted for hisec mining properly are far too much trouble for suicide gankers to bother with.

While you're mining in your procurer, stay at the keyboard and check out the corporation recruitment channel and the Neocom corp window to find an industrial/mining corp with a healthy attitude and enough history/members to think about joining. Talk to those corps.

Keep your stuff, keep building assets, don't process your ores till you have the skills to make it worthwhile.

When you think you've found a good corp, join but bear in mind rule 1 and 2. Tell them. Good corps will appreciate your 'paranoia'.

Maintain a sensible wallet, and always have enough stuff that in the very very rare event you've bern scammed by your newfound corp, you can walk away with enough stuff to go back to NPC corp solo mining.

Repeat.

Eve is pretty cool, if you don't let yourself get too attatched to the idea that you are 'safe', and you can ignore CODE and the other 'angry drunks', who are really not important no matter how much faux-rp stuff they spout in minerbumping sites and here on the forums.

And remember rule 1.

Fly safe! o7

"Actually, we smile every time we see a belt full of Skiffs and Procurers as it is a tangible sign of our progress in controlling highsec and take it a sign we have done a good job. Forcing carebears to accept such cuts to their income in response to the risk we pose is a real sign of our influence over the game play of others."

Man, you said it Pedro!

If you saw the ice fields of old, full of yield-fit mackinaws as far as the eye could see, then you know we HAVE reshaped highsec, we've changed the culture, we've changed the very advice noobs receive from veteran players!

Take a look around highsec, if you deny that we've changed it, you either were not there to see the horrors of old highsec or you're in carebear denial.

On a side note, have you taken a look at this dude Lucas Kell's posting history? It's a wealth of tears in there! Like seriously, enough tears to keep me entertained for the foreseeable future.

Anyway, back on topic.

I think what she was getting at is that you're a carebear that roleplays. You want easy kills and are too scared to go out to do anything riskier, and you roleplay a narrative to give your gameplay more meaning. Nothing wrong with that, this is a sandbox after all, but let's not pretend you're some altruistic heroes of EVE. If you stopped existing nothing would really change.

Generally the resistance comes from the fact that your stated motivations are complete rubbish. James had a tantrum one day because a gameplay style he didn't like got a buff, a buff which still left it as one of the lowest end playstyles. What you want is easy kills which is why alongside ganking miners you campaign for mechanics to change in ways that make it ever easier to gank and throw a fit when CCP balances things out. If you're actual motivation is to improve players and bring more people into the game in the way you like it, you're going about it the wrong way by looking for the easiest targets then tear harvesting.

Them dank tears. "Everything's tears" an all that. I'm pretty sure that if me having an opinion is tears, then code pilots diving into every thread a miner posts going "abloo bloo bloo, mining too easy, ganking noobs too hard" counts as tears too.

Nubs these days.

The reasons high sec mercs and gankers exist( with bulletpoints):

* Because stupid people carry a stupid amountsof high value cargo in fairly squishy ships.
* Because stupid people afk autopilot, mine, etc
* Because carebears hire them to remove other carebears from carebear areas( mercs to remove your competition)
* Because carebears hire them to defend against mean carebears and mercs.
* Because they like making others emotional.
* Because they are sadistic.
* For profit.
* For Fun.
* Because they want to pvp but want to have little to no risks to themselves.
* Because they want to pvp but arent good at it so they pick on easy targets.
* Because the killboard is their god and they must make frequent sacrifices to said god or face its wrath.
* Because they care about kill ratios and other nonsense but not about how you obtain those stats.
* Because they are in a null alliance and they are taking a break from null life but still want their pvp fix( Alts of null players)
* Because they feel it is their duty to discourage people from making high sec their home and to push them out of the "nest" so to speak.
* Because they are sociopaths and feed off such activities.

I could go on but you get the point. All the people that do these activities do it for their own reasons. And those reasons are greatly varied. Im sure i forgot a few. Those are the most common ones that i can think of atm.

For "productive conversation" see "one-sided conversation". Your opposition to my posting pretty much boils down to me not agreeing with many of your opinions and that unlike other posters that disagree with you I refuse to be silenced when you post multiple paragraphs of propaganda or attacks.

And the truth is, whether you see my posts or not is irrelevant, other people continue to see multiple varied opinions and can continue to make their own judgements on them.

Don't worry buddy I already covered that one.

If you have him blocked you are missing out on some great "yo mamma" action. Whenever a CODE thread appears Lucas appears right on schedule to tell us that he for one isn't buying our bull*(!# and that, despite his constant attention, we are beneath his notice. Except he can't stop talking about us.

He's just the latest, although most persistent, forum warrior who believes that he represents some sort of real Eve player while we are just another version of carebear like the miners. Any post by a recently ganked miner panicking about the overwhelming disaster that the New Order has presented to his future Eve play is met with Luca's cool derision that we are, in fact, nothing to worry about. Just ignore us has been advice from the non believers since day one. I looked at that link I provided earlier in the thread and it included a number of posters saying the exact same things he does, way back in 2011. And yet, we are still here, (@(!ing up the forums and leaving wreckage strewn across highsec. (I particularly enjoyed the posters who demanded that James post on his main. Epic win there).

Bottom line. When Lucas posts, we win. Too bad you have him blocked. Still, the miners might be listening to him and that prolongs their agony. So, he's doing his part to hejp us win.... again. In his defense, he does mean well. Its just that things aren't what he thinks so his attempts are futile. Keep up the good work, Agent Lucas!

Don;t flatter yourself, I appear in a lot of threads. You simply see me in these ones because threads started up by miners talking about their playstyle that get invaded by code members crying about how evil people are for not playing their way tends to interest me.

I don't claim to represent "the read eve player", I simply don't agree with codes self-assessment that they are some necessity for the game and should be exempt from balance passes.

You are nothing to worry about. I've done a lot of highsec mining and not once been ganked by a code member, since you are only after easy kills. If a miner chooses the right setup they can play almost completely AFK and pretty much never see a code member take any form of successful action against them.

Lol, so you're claiming the evidence of your success is the fact that you post in GD, create alts to make little fake little "omg wut is code" posts out of sheer desperation and kill invariably the newest and least experienced players? You still existing really doesn't disprove that ignoring you works. In fact the massive number of AFK miners not being ganked every day pretty much shows that ignoring you is pretty effective.

There's those shifting goalposts again