Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Aww, is it a bit too hard to offer any criticism like only one single person in the entire forum has? (Thank you for that, Iain Cariaba)


Regardless, people already do it, my friend. People already idle while mining. People already idle while running an in-game business. At worst it'd make people a bit more active.

I'll admit, though, an SP multiplier might not be the best way to go about it, which is why I had suggested something such as allowing any active activity done to accrue a small bit of SP you otherwise wouldn't have. Or, maybe, just let people reallocate their starting SP into things they actually like in the same vain that you can allocate attribute points.

I never stated that only new players can benefit from the dailies, I stated that the dailies benefit players like you who CAN LOG IN everyday. Like Iain Cariaba unavoidable RL issues(my job) have prevented me from logging in for nearly 2 weeks. And yes I can still check the forums and respond to bad ideas like yours via this wonderful gadget they call a smart phone but I cannot log into the game.


As Iain Cariaba pointed out in his response the ability to make ISK is not directly tied to a characters SP, like him I have alts with less than a week worth of training that can make billions every month and do so very easily. None of them have made a single ISK in the last two weeks because I cannot log them in due to RL issues (my job). And yet a new player (Les than one month) to the game and a personal friend of mine has made several billion ISK while I have been away simoky because he can log in everyday and for multiple hours every session.


Insufficient information provided to check your math. However I now understand where this lousy idea came from, you found it buried in the bottom of a bowl of a mind altering substance and in that altered state of mid you thought it was a good thing to happen to EvE. And now you are searching in the bottom of yet another bowl of that same mind altering substance to find a way to defend your terrible idea.

Neither you nor CCP can control the price of a skill injectors on the market and even if CCP dropped the costs to those who bought them there is no guarantee that the costs to buy them on the market would change because prices on the market are determined buy those who sell and those who buy. And yet even if CCP could perform some magic and force a 0.2% drop in the price of injectors on the market it would not change anything. Perhaps it is that bowl, or perhaps it is a failed understanding of math or how to use a calculator but here is the real math. If an injector is selling for 1 billion ISK a 0.2% drop is only 2 milllion ISK. Yes that's right just a measly 2,000,000 ISK and in the face of a 1 billion ISK expenditure that is as they say insignificant to the point of being irrelevant. But in the end none of that is important because it is not the costs that matters, it is more fundamental than that. EvE is different than every other game and one of those major differences is that you CANNOT GRIND FOR SKILLS, at least not directly. If you change this then you change EvE at a fundamental level that would be bad for the game.


So let me rephrase this. You want to change from a time based system where EVERYONE who pays their subscription fees can train skills at the same rate to a grind based system where those who can or will log in gain SP while those who cannot gain very little or possibly even no SP, and some how you think this would be fair?
In other words you want to change a system that you think benefits the veteran players for a system that benefits YOU.

I cannot and will not speak for others but I came to EvE simply because it is the only online game I have ever found where I am not punished skill point (levels if you will) wise because of my limited gaming time. The day CCP changes EvE to the grind for SP (levels) idea that you are proposing is the day I un-sub all of my accounts and put EvE in my rear view mirrors. I do not know how many others would leave but I suspect there are quite a few of us around.

But in the end here is the only thing that really matters. EvE is a game with a set of rules and a skills system, if you do not like the rules or that skill system them move on there are many other space combat simulation games for you to try.

It is rewarded. In most cases, you gain zero isk if you're not logged in. As a player, you gain no added ability to actually play the game, making larger, more expensive gear feasible, if you're not logged in. Without being logged in, you cannot impact your killboard, allowing you to brag about the size of your epeen to those who think such matters.

And no, trying to make EvE into every other game on the market is not a good game design philosophy. EvE has survived for 13 years, despite its faults, because it is unique.

No it shouldn't. Time invested SMARTLY in the game should be rewarded, which is is: with isk.

To you, it doesn't. To someone who has taken courses on the subject, it is.

It's almost like the 'I haven't seen it so it can't happen' fallacy.

Also going to chime in and say "no" to this idea.

One of the big reasons I have stayed with EVE is because there is no stupid XP grinding or "be more active gain more skills" cliche.

And yes... I am rather okay with EVE remaining as a "niche game" rather than appeal to the masses. That is what makes the game great in my opinion!

People who "get it" join the game. Those who don't and want the game to be more in-line with what they think a game should be, leave.

I swear... EVE is inching ever closer to the same demise that befell Ultima Online.

First of all please explain why did you ever decide to install Eve client on your PC? And looks like after all you've not managed to find a proper way to satisfy your expectation from this game. You've tried the major activities you've went many paths available here and only the value you found to be most satisfiable for you appeared to be SP which devs should give to you in form of reward only because you've run Eve client but not actually doing anything in game. For me it is sounds even worse than afk miners. SP afk farmer that's basically it. While younlog on and actually do something according to your goals and succesfully achive those so THIS consider your reward for the time you've just spent while been online.

Having Eve's client running only to receive some SP in a form of reward only for doing that and consider that time as your investments? You probably better go and spend more time in RL instead. But claiming Eve changes as corrective tool to satisfy your expectations that's something wrong mate.

^This. This right here. Too often today it seems that games are coming out to take advantage of the latest fad, to get as many people playing as possible as fast as possible, so that as much money as can be made is made right then and there. Who cares that in less than a year the game's a flop and relegated to the heap of so much, "Been there, done that." There's already lots of rewards in game for logging in, being active, and being engaged. There needs to be a reward in -EVERY- category for such? Sounds more like a desire for an "I win!" button to me.

Games are a business so they act like business.

isn't a 1.15 or any multiplier just going to make getting +5 implants all that much more important. 2000 *1.15=2300 300 sp extra an hour. 2700 * 1.15 = 3105. 405 sp extra an hour.


which would hurt new bros the most?