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Anti-Interdiction Nuliffication System
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Tabyll Altol
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#41 - 2016-05-16 23:45:31 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
BobFromMarketing wrote:
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Anti-interdiction nullification already exists. It's called a point.

A decently fit interceptor can attain warp before anyone with over 40 ping can lock them regardless of your scan res. Because of how server ticks work. Someone shouldn't be unable to tackle an interceptor because they live on the wrong side of the pond.

Smartbombs

Globby wrote:
also remove 100% safe JF travel, also

The number of dying JF suggests that JF travel is far from "100% save".


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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#42 - 2016-05-18 12:56:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
Robert Caldera wrote:

scary is not the issue.
they are just too cheap, they are entry level skill wise and are accessible to anyone after 2 weeks playing, you dont need to risk 600m + SP loss when flying one unlike T3 whilst negating pretty much everything in your route aside of rare SB camps.

If scary is not the issue than what is? Looks like a lot of accessible fun!
Fun is the issue here? Accessible is the issue? Or that someone else is having it? Lol

Robert Caldera wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:
Smartbombs work fine, not a solo one but more than one is great and around my area which has been mentioned is very common for sb camps (they are fun).

if they would work fine, everyone wouldnt fly interceptors. Fact is, they dont and thats why they are so rare and thats the reason why they work fine for you - because there is virtually no chance to run into a smartbombing BS, especially if you know the usual places.

That is not my post. Blink

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Davian Thule Pirkibo
Black Rabbits
Black Rabbit.
#43 - 2016-05-18 20:32:29 UTC
- 1, would wreck balance for solo roamers who can slip past large gate camps. Also why are ceptors "aids" they are easy as hell to kill in frig pvp and are not a threat to most ships, unless they pack a cyno. Smart bomb camps are more common then you think. The fact a ship is low sp/entry level has little to do with its balance. Interdiction nullification is important otherwise you will shift balance to people who are there for easy as hell kills or will force the solo roamer into small gangs or larger.
Iain Cariaba
#44 - 2016-05-18 21:22:40 UTC
Davian Thule Pirkibo wrote:
- 1, would wreck balance for solo roamers who can slip past large gate camps. Also why are ceptors "aids" they are easy as hell to kill in frig pvp and are not a threat to most ships, unless they pack a cyno. Smart bomb camps are more common then you think. The fact a ship is low sp/entry level has little to do with its balance. Interdiction nullification is important otherwise you will shift balance to people who are there for easy as hell kills or will force the solo roamer into small gangs or larger.

Also, prior to interdiction nullification, you couldn't fly five jumps through nullsec without running into at least three gate bubbles, usually unmanned and there for no other reason than to slow you down (Anyone else remember the 100km radius bubble array on the EC- gate to highsec? Twisted). Now, you don't see this as much.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#45 - 2016-05-18 23:16:47 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Davian Thule Pirkibo wrote:
- 1, would wreck balance for solo roamers who can slip past large gate camps. Also why are ceptors "aids" they are easy as hell to kill in frig pvp and are not a threat to most ships, unless they pack a cyno. Smart bomb camps are more common then you think. The fact a ship is low sp/entry level has little to do with its balance. Interdiction nullification is important otherwise you will shift balance to people who are there for easy as hell kills or will force the solo roamer into small gangs or larger.

Also, prior to interdiction nullification, you couldn't fly five jumps through nullsec without running into at least three gate bubbles, usually unmanned and there for no other reason than to slow you down (Anyone else remember the 100km radius bubble array on the EC- gate to highsec? Twisted). Now, you don't see this as much.


They could of solved the stupidity of un-manny bubble by changing bubbles instead of giving a class of ship the ability to force a comp on any camp willing to stop them. It's smartbomb or bust to catch these now.
Iain Cariaba
#46 - 2016-05-19 01:26:09 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Davian Thule Pirkibo wrote:
- 1, would wreck balance for solo roamers who can slip past large gate camps. Also why are ceptors "aids" they are easy as hell to kill in frig pvp and are not a threat to most ships, unless they pack a cyno. Smart bomb camps are more common then you think. The fact a ship is low sp/entry level has little to do with its balance. Interdiction nullification is important otherwise you will shift balance to people who are there for easy as hell kills or will force the solo roamer into small gangs or larger.

Also, prior to interdiction nullification, you couldn't fly five jumps through nullsec without running into at least three gate bubbles, usually unmanned and there for no other reason than to slow you down (Anyone else remember the 100km radius bubble array on the EC- gate to highsec? Twisted). Now, you don't see this as much.


They could of solved the stupidity of un-manny bubble by changing bubbles instead of giving a class of ship the ability to force a comp on any camp willing to stop them. It's smartbomb or bust to catch these now.

Pretty certain adding nullification was easier. IIRC, bubble code is mixed in with POS code, or something like that.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#47 - 2016-05-19 12:12:15 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Davian Thule Pirkibo wrote:
- 1, would wreck balance for solo roamers who can slip past large gate camps. Also why are ceptors "aids" they are easy as hell to kill in frig pvp and are not a threat to most ships, unless they pack a cyno. Smart bomb camps are more common then you think. The fact a ship is low sp/entry level has little to do with its balance. Interdiction nullification is important otherwise you will shift balance to people who are there for easy as hell kills or will force the solo roamer into small gangs or larger.

Also, prior to interdiction nullification, you couldn't fly five jumps through nullsec without running into at least three gate bubbles, usually unmanned and there for no other reason than to slow you down (Anyone else remember the 100km radius bubble array on the EC- gate to highsec? Twisted). Now, you don't see this as much.


They could of solved the stupidity of un-manny bubble by changing bubbles instead of giving a class of ship the ability to force a comp on any camp willing to stop them. It's smartbomb or bust to catch these now.

Pretty certain adding nullification was easier. IIRC, bubble code is mixed in with POS code, or something like that.


Of course giving immunity to inties was easier but that does not mean it's the best way to deal with the issue.

Making bubbles de-activate based on a timer would of done it. It would of required a minimal manning of those bubbles at least on an interval instead of the state they were where you could bubble a gate and leave it like that for days unless someone did the hard work of shooting them.
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#48 - 2016-05-19 13:13:54 UTC
also, CCP could at least give them immunity only to anchorable bubbles, so players had a chance to stop them without resorting to something ridiculous as smartbomb battleship
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#49 - 2016-05-19 13:22:56 UTC
why the hate for smartbombing battleships Sad

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Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#50 - 2016-05-19 15:08:52 UTC
because bringing up a battleship for hunting interceptors an incredibly stupid idea, please stop.
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#51 - 2016-05-19 15:10:33 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:

If scary is not the issue than what is? Looks like a lot of accessible fun!
Fun is the issue here? Accessible is the issue? Or that someone else is having it? Lol

its the cheap way to exclude themselves from pew pew and my lost fun of killing them when they had to move around in catchable ships.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#52 - 2016-05-19 15:13:23 UTC
Robert Caldera wrote:
because bringing up a battleship for hunting interceptors an incredibly stupid idea, please stop.


sitting on a gate cloaked like a sabre is hardly huntingRoll

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#53 - 2016-05-19 15:19:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert Caldera
Lan Wang wrote:
Robert Caldera wrote:
because bringing up a battleship for hunting interceptors an incredibly stupid idea, please stop.


sitting on a gate cloaked like a sabre is hardly huntingRoll


what if I said, the sabre is not cloaked and even moving?
Stop making empty assumptions. It also could be a hic, or another interceptor camping an anchorable bubble, or hac, or a caracal, maybe assault frigate or pirate faction frigate. Yet bubble nullification negates all those sorts of dangers.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#54 - 2016-05-19 15:38:00 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Robert Caldera wrote:
because bringing up a battleship for hunting interceptors an incredibly stupid idea, please stop.


sitting on a gate cloaked like a sabre is hardly huntingRoll


I still think it's a bad design to have the best tool to kill an interceptor be a battleship with a rack of smartbomb no matter how close or far from a definition of hunting this activity can be.
Edward Olmops
Gunboat Commando
#55 - 2016-05-19 16:07:51 UTC
Please consider also a different thing:
forcing people to jump through gates blindly is bad.
Davian Thule Pirkibo
Black Rabbits
Black Rabbit.
#56 - 2016-05-19 16:51:18 UTC
Robert Caldera wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
Robert Caldera wrote:
because bringing up a battleship for hunting interceptors an incredibly stupid idea, please stop.


sitting on a gate cloaked like a sabre is hardly huntingRoll


what if I said, the sabre is not cloaked and even moving?
Stop making empty assumptions. It also could be a hic, or another interceptor camping an anchorable bubble, or hac, or a caracal, maybe assault frigate or pirate faction frigate. Yet bubble nullification negates all those sorts of dangers.

You do realise that your not meant to be able to stop all frigs right? Everything has its speciality, and a counter, if you remove interdiction nullification you must give a buff to Ceptors in another area,
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#57 - 2016-05-19 17:30:45 UTC
Davian Thule Pirkibo wrote:
Robert Caldera wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
Robert Caldera wrote:
because bringing up a battleship for hunting interceptors an incredibly stupid idea, please stop.


sitting on a gate cloaked like a sabre is hardly huntingRoll


what if I said, the sabre is not cloaked and even moving?
Stop making empty assumptions. It also could be a hic, or another interceptor camping an anchorable bubble, or hac, or a caracal, maybe assault frigate or pirate faction frigate. Yet bubble nullification negates all those sorts of dangers.

You do realise that your not meant to be able to stop all frigs right? Everything has its speciality, and a counter, if you remove interdiction nullification you must give a buff to Ceptors in another area,


or nerf bubbles

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#58 - 2016-05-19 17:45:36 UTC
Davian Thule Pirkibo wrote:
Robert Caldera wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
Robert Caldera wrote:
because bringing up a battleship for hunting interceptors an incredibly stupid idea, please stop.


sitting on a gate cloaked like a sabre is hardly huntingRoll


what if I said, the sabre is not cloaked and even moving?
Stop making empty assumptions. It also could be a hic, or another interceptor camping an anchorable bubble, or hac, or a caracal, maybe assault frigate or pirate faction frigate. Yet bubble nullification negates all those sorts of dangers.

You do realise that your not meant to be able to stop all frigs right? Everything has its speciality, and a counter, if you remove interdiction nullification you must give a buff to Ceptors in another area,



I'm missing something here. When they gave the nullification buff to interceptors.... remind me again of what they took away.

Since they didn't remove anything when giving the buff, per your above rules the nullification buff should be... nullified. You're making an 'empty assumption' that nerfs and buffs are balanced. In this case there was no balance.


TLDR you're argument makes no sense - SPECIFICALLY when talking about interceptors that got a nullification buff w/ no corresponding nerf. (picture yourself painted into a corner holding a brush and bucket of paint)
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#59 - 2016-05-19 20:16:23 UTC
Davian Thule Pirkibo wrote:

You do realise that your not meant to be able to stop all frigs right? Everything has its speciality, and a counter, if you remove interdiction nullification you must give a buff to Ceptors in another area,


is this a self backing argument? That we cant stop them right now is exactly the topic here and worst game design. like others pointed out already.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#60 - 2016-05-19 20:36:10 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:



TLDR you're argument makes no sense - SPECIFICALLY when talking about interceptors that got a nullification buff w/ no corresponding nerf. (picture yourself painted into a corner holding a brush and bucket of paint)


When you paint yourself that hard into a corner, you have at least a roller or even a paint gun in your hand. Not a lousy brush.