EVE Fiction

Let's see;

Vince himself is a tool for the Amarrians and a MacGuffin for everyone else for the entirety of the book.
Marcus serves no purpose other than to be told the Jove/Sleeper backstory by Grious, before being brutally killed.
Foritian has a minor role, but basically only exists to tell Jacus about the immortality tech and has no ambition of his own.
Miles is a babbling, romantically hopeless fool who lacks so much self-esteem with himself that he makes up stories about what he does while on shore leave to impress his crew.
Mens can't seem to accomplish anything by himself and has to run over to Mila whenever he has a problem.

This phenomenon is hardly limited to female characters, and seems much more like "everyone is weak willed because New Eden is a crapsack galaxy" than "Tony Gonzales portrayes females badly."

I'll shorten the argument for you.

No one cares that we aren't handed all the answers by Tony G.

We're angry because despite demonstrating that he has no concern for maintaining the basic tenants of EVE fiction, let alone ruining any potential for meaningful, interesting developments, Tony G was allowed to write two books for our universe.

Get it?

Funnily enough, the basic tenants are based on what we've previously been provided with.

There are several male characters who are easily manipulated, yes. However there are several more male characters who have a grip on things.

The characters I referred to in my previous post, were the main female characters. All of them are objectives to be defended and/or easily manipulated tools.


Referring back to the Empyrean age, there is more of this, such as:

Grand Admiral Kasora Neko (Minmatar Fleet) who is portrayed as ineffectual, unable to maintain any form of command over the fleet.
Karin Midular (Republic Prime minister) who is portrayed as whining, ineffectual, a moody girl that throws tantrums, is beaten and raped, then "learns her place" and is submissive thereafter.
Ariel Orviegnoure (Federation Intelligence senior officer) who is repeatedly interrupted, ineffective.
Yana Marakova (Federation Navy) who is a capsuleer, is initially rather condescending towards Korvin the male Fed Navy pilot, she is podded, loses SP and is unable to fly, is submissive afterwards.
Camoul Hinda (court chamberlain advisor) who tells Karsoth he's screwing it all up, ends up beaten and turned into a drugged sex slave.
unnamed Gallentean women on Caldari Prime, mentioned as being out shopping for exotic underwear, hundreds/thousands of them are killed in the Caldari invasion.


Now then, in what kind of world do such ineffective individuals become head of such organisations ?

How does someone become Grand Admiral of the Fleet without having any more ability to command than an officer cadet ?
How does someone become Prime Minister when being a tantrum throwing whining little girl ?
Why would you summon the chief intelligence officer, and then never let them say anything ? How did they become the chief anyway when they are that ineffective ?

Why is it necessary to write that various women are beaten then are submissive afterwards ? Why specifically mention that many of the casualties of the invasion of Caldari prime were women shopping for underwear ?


It just looks as if the books were written to appeal to that particular brand of internet "humour", such as the "what do you say to a woman with two black eyes? Nothing you already told her twice." sort of jokes.

"In the near future..."

/semi RP-mode on
I run a humanitarian orientated corporation.

If I ever encounter the Minmatar Elders I am going to choke them to death with my bare hands for what they did to Midular.
/semi RP-mode off

Tony G never managed to portrait any of the strong women of EVE fiction as actual strong. Instead they end up in some subdued position often involving sex.

Jamyl Sarum could have been cool as Darth Vader. Except Vader did not do drugs or flaunted off sexual deviancies.

Busted.

This thread delivers.

This brings something else to mind,

A fast and easy way to "fact-check" with existing PF for these novels and prevent some inconsistancy issues would be to release tiny snippets to us, the PF forum nerds. Crowdsource your fact-checking in other words.

IE if a paragraph is talking about dates, names, and places, shoot it out of context to the forums, and I do believe it would quickly be validated or not.

Obviously opinions on -content- will vary and can be ignored, but names, dates, concepts, etc could be corrected well in advance.

Only a matter of time until those who cannot back their arguments start launching Ad Hominem attacks against everyone else, how predictable.