EVE General Discussion

There's likely to be a lot of losses coming up due to people intentionally setting stupid vulnerability windows with the intent of letting the inconvenient timezones do the defending for them, only to find their unmanned, defenseless citadels under siege from 10 man corps from eastern Europe and Russia.

We've already had to turn down contracts for citadel defenses because defending a citadel at 06:00GMT/02:00EST on weekdays is just not going to happen.

Citadel owners need to stop trying to not have to defend the damned things because they cannot defend themselves any more than an empty ship can.

Moreso, it makes those that live in highsec into extremist. Either extreme carebears or extreme carebear killers.

High sec gives people a false sense of security. They become complacent. they think they are safe. They get wardecced by a merc or griefer corp/alliance and because of how high sec is designed it completely restricts their gameplay to dock spinning. Then they complain because they have to try to hide from deccers but they cant because deccers use locators to find them anyway.

Then we have their structures, they put their structures up thinking no one is going to find or take out their structure but it happens. They dont even consider the fact of how to defend things they stick in space before they actually stick it in space. They dont practice and get experience at pvp and im sure more than a few do not even own ships that you could classify as pvp fitted ships.

Finally, if they do decide to defend, they all could have 10 bil isk in their wallets and they will undock in t1 cruisers and frigs with maybe a few BC or BS for the players who like to live life on the edge. Then they think its impossible to defend against a merc fleet as they are quickly removed from space every time they try. So they just give up sit in the dock and spin instead of learning how to pvp and defend their stuff.

The carebear killers: Mercs, griefers, and gankers. Figured out that high sec targets are easy prey and often carrying a payday. They need very little effort to take out the targets. And thus this has made many of them lazy. When put up against proper pvp fleet they struggle hard. But no worries. PVPers stay in low and null for the most part. So they attack carebears and even when the carebears put together a fleet its like mowing your space lawn. Push forward and watch the parts come flying out. The killers spend their money on actual pvp ships. They are bringing faction, t2, and t3 to fight a cheap fleet. Its like fishing with dynamite to them.




I do think citadels are a problem. They are too squishy. I think they should require a longer commitment than they do. I know people like to compare to fighting a POS and im sure this is something the devs thought a lot about. They know we are not fans of POS grinding. But with a POS you end up bashing a lot of extra structures many times and the POS itself. Whereas citadels you just base the citadel. So less to bash overall.

Even in null it doesnt give you a lot of time to put together a defense fleet so you might as well wait on the timer. They need both defense and offense increased by 50%, IMO. I do like content that pushes people out of high sec space, though. I encourage everyone to leave high sec and actually play the game rather than just a small boring unprofitable part of it known as high sec. High sec should be for noobs, shopping centers, and a place to temporary regroup after losing your space. It should not be a permanent home for anyone and it should discouraged to be that for players.

If they replace all stations woth player-owned destructable Cidadels, and I have to go **** about moving all my stuff every week to a new one because they keep getting blown up, that's going to get old fast.

Also, without any guaranteed NPC stations, what fills that gap? where do noobs dock up in their first weeks?

Due to the damage mitigation system, they all take the same amount of time to kill, by the way - you just need to bring some extra DPS to do it to the larger ones. And depending on how you look at it, the time is either 90 minutes (30 minutes three times) or seven days. (Actually, I think in wormholes you are correct that the three 30 minute attacks are over a span of three days.)

You guys are quoting dev blogs that pretty much say they are going to be outdated by the time you finish reading them.

CCP developers make a lot of assumptions going into a project and then as it starts to become less vaporware and more real, those assumptions start falling into the prophetic stage of fulfilling the ass-u-me part. Toward the end of the testing stage Citadels were clearly shown to need defensive forces. Without potentially making them unkillable, this was going to be a necessity just by the nature of EVE and its players.

So, I don't think they can fix Citadels by making significant changes to the Citadels themselves. I think they need some combat support structures like remote batteries, minefields, patrol barges (nasty combat vessels incapable of warp), CAP flights of fighters from remote fighter bays, etc. In essence, you'll need to destroy the defenses before actually engaging the Citadels. This way a small corp can actually field and have a Citadel if it's wealthy enough to put large amounts of attackable but 'make it a pain in the tuckus to attack' defenses.

So, CCP can develop things to help Citadels survivability but for the time being, that thing is a large defensive fleet.

I would have to disagree...So many of the Null-Sec alliances have high-sec alts and alt-corps. You guys even encourage all that high-sec is known for (mining, mission, trading, hauling, industry) but will be the first on the soap-box stating why High-Sec playing causes cancer…

You are right about the amount of Citadels getting blown up outside of high-sec though only because so many of us are so rich, we can afford to lose 3 or 4 compared to their benefits they provide us.

But really though, have you seen most of those fits on the KM’s? Majority of them aren’t even fitted at all... They were chalked up as an “L” from the get-go…

You know, I hear this load of BS all the time in EVE. "Bigger and more expensive does not equal better in eve." Allow me to hit you with some common sense, sir. If you have two items, one is big and expensive; the other smaller and cheaper, but the smaller item outperforms the larger in almost every way...... Why the F*ck should anyone buy the more expensive one?

It is simple common sense, not some ridiculous "fallacy." The only reason EVE players like to argue that fact, is because they are usually the offenders who reap the benefits of taking down other peoples big, juicy, expensive paperweights, which exist solely to soak up ISK and go boom in EVE online.

It is also the reason why EVE fails to entertain a community beyond the sadistic few who currently inhabit the servers.

I understand the concept plenty. Bigger, more expensive items exist for one reason in EVE: To give gankers a juicy target and go boom. There is absolutely ZERO reason to buy anything expensive in EVE, because you are wasting ISK and getting no added benefit for doing so.

But gankers and griefers will love you for it, because they will get all that PHAT LOOTZ and drink your tearz. Ya, after being around since conception, I think I get it by now.

Terrible community, catered to by DEVs who making a killing on the "Golden Goose" as they put it, of people spending real world money to get it blown up over and over. Am I hitting the nail on the head or what?

oh crist that'l be fun,
so to correct my previous statement , it takes an eight day week to kill one.

They need a longer commitment to being on the field and shorter time between timers. For example 45 min for shield timer, 90 min for armor and structure( taken out on same timer so 45 min each) and then 24-48 hour timer between shield and finish it off