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Are you going to fix the dscan/tracking functionality that has been broken by the new camera ?


- When using the tracking camera with dscan bound to a key/mouse.
In the old camera - When I selected an object and pressed dscan it would track to the object and initiate a scan when the camera had orientated to the object.
With the new camera.. once i press the dscan bind it does a scan immediately and then tracks to the selected object. meaning I need to press dscan twice ! This is very annoying when doing 5 /15 degree dscans to find ships at moons/pocos/gates.

- the scan cone occasionally doesn't line up with bookmarks/anons etc in space when using the radial menu dscan function. So instead of dscan anom/BM I end up dscaning a random spot in space. I can tell its dscaning the wrong thing because the scan cone is pointing in entirely the wrong direction.

I think both these issues are result of the same problem : the simultaneous tracking and dscan have issues with the new camera. Please fix these before getting rid of old camera.

I don't know is this is camera related or map related but can you please stop the camera from moving when you start warp in a new system and are looking at the map? For some reason the map starts bobbing/twisting around as if there a camera attached to it when you warp....

Fortunately there is a solution to that surplus plex problem... Im willing to ease your burden. Please contract all your PLEX to helana Tsero in Jita.

I wont even charge a service fee.

This, and stop detaching the camera from my ship everytime I right click to bring up a menu.


^this, It's very annoying.


This explains the other glitches I hadn't pinned down, thankyou.

That is because the new camera is forced on us and most may not know they can go back to the old one in the ESC menu

So, may the 31st is the last day that i undock to pvp in eve.

Still some major issues for me with the new camera.

Firstly, the camera is the primary input method for manually piloting. The new camera vertical rotation speed is 3-4 times more sluggish than its horizontal speed. This is undesirable since im just as likely to fly up and down as i am left and right.

For example, i literally just this second took a fight in my garmur vs 8 ceptors. To maintain point and keep on a target while all the other ceptors were trying to box me in, i had to fly over and under their group multiple times since the station was on the horizontal plane.

I refuse to accept, that just because you have overpolished your new camera, that on may 31st im just going to be measurably worse at manually piloting.

Secondly, the zoom is still horrible. Its far too fast with my ratchetless mouse, and has a brief moment when you start scrolling where it doesnt scroll at all before it kicks in and starts scrolling far too fast.

When i provide input, i want there to be a response from the client. I dont want to be slipping around on 'polish' and fighting the camera to do things that are easier with the old camera. I dont want to have to move my mouse 3-4 times further to look up and down, i dont want to have to fight my scroll wheel when the zoom sends me in and out at an irregular rate due to a delayed response that quickly changes to a rapid acceleration.

This are two fundamental aspects of controlling this game. While the new camera is not unplayable for most, why are you happy with a new camera that is functionally less effective at a couple of its most fundamental jobs? Im not happy.

The 5% number seems very dishonest. My anecdotal experience here is that literally every pilot that i consider to have any skill at pvp is using the old camera. Sure, there are some who do PI, who just joing large fleets and do no small gang nano pvp who dont care either way since they only anchor up for the most part. But please consider the opinions of people who put a higher demand on the old camera.

Instead of counting the number of accounts that have the new camera (which will no doubt include countless alts, non pvp and characters that never undock), you should compile a list of active pvpers over the last 3 months who participate in small gang pvp. I wouldnt be surprised if those numbers were not almost entirely reversed.

CCPLZ - The new camera is NEARLY THERE. Please dont stop short when it could become *AS GOOD AS THE OLD CAMERA* with the addition of a couple of menu options to tweek speeds/sensitivity/acceleration of panning and zoom.

I still hate the FOV scroll entirely but I think I've narrowed down the source of my space-sickness a bit:

At the maximum FOV, when I hold ctrl and scroll up the FOV decreases to its minimum, but when I continue to scroll up past that point, the camera moves away normally. The end result is this uncomfortable dolly zoom effect.

I think it would help if the FOV hotkey* prevented normal camera scrolling while it was held.

(*please make this a thing)

Ya. I stopped logging in at all. So irritating I'd rather not play.

I feel I have a few problems with this statement. First of all, the fact that you guys are quoting metrics feels like you are validating your decision. Clearly there is something wrong in that alone. If you want to force this change then just do it, telling the people that are still using it that they are a minority isn't going to make them feel any better about it. Secondly, lets not pretend that those metrics aren't skewed. If the old camera was on by default I doubt you would have more than 5.5% of people willingly switching to the new camera. Regardless of that point, you have isolated a percentage of the population that do have a vested interest in the camera issue for what that is worth.

Lastly, the new system is not taking over all of my spaceship viewing needs. As has been pointed out by several people in this thread, the new camera is in fact not a straight upgrade to the old camera. I simply do not understand why the new camera cannot incorporate all of the functionality of the old product. Making something new and different is not equivalent to an upgrade. Core functionality should me maintained unless it is the intention of CCP to fundamentally alter the functionality of the camera.

Using the same metrics as the "majority" of people who where pro skill injectors ,I see.

CCP spin best spin.