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Rail Vindi, Torp Rattlesnake or Navy Domi for pve?
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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#21 - 2016-05-12 16:02:17 UTC
Khan Wrenth wrote:
While true, we are not discussing perfect situations. We're discussing his situation. And so far as we know, Kronos is not currently flyable to him, and it costs twice as much.

I said earlier that a rail ship would be better served by a tech 1 battleship than a pirate battleship. In the same vein, if he can achieve his goal comfortably using a ~600mill pirate battleship, then there really isn't a need to train another long skill to enable him to fly a battleship that costs twice as much.

It's important to stay practical in EvE. There's a lot of superfluous choices a person can make in this game. If your ends are achieved in a simple boat with tech II equipment, there's no need to double the cost of your hull and equip deadspace/faction equipment (just as an example). Such upgrades provide returns, but only by slim margins. Those are aesthetic choices more than practical ones, and such upgrades can be beneficial when he has acquired enough practical in-game knowledge to keep his investments safe and minimize the risks he takes.

Much like some of the ship fits you're apparently notorious for posting - whether they work or not in a technical sense isn't really the point. The point is that people have to grow into the game, their ship's abilities, and their vulnerabilities. Let him walk before he runs.

I'm merely pointing out that a Blaster Vindicator isn't well-suited in a PvE role for the same reason stasis webs aren't applicable: your engagement range is going to be 40-60km.

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Amanda Chan
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2016-05-13 11:17:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Amanda Chan
In terms of dps for the hulls you provided: Everything is shield fit for max deeps. Some can get just a bit pricey....

Blaster Navy Domi + Heavy Drones >= Blaster Vindi > Torp Snake(Javelin or Faction...don't even think about Rage) + Heavy Drones > Rail Navy Domi + Sentry > Meta 4 Cruise Snake + Sentry Drones > Rail Vindi

In terms of price tag for performance:
Meta 4 Cruise Snake + Sentry Drones > Torp Snake + Heavies > Blaster Vindi > Rail Vindi > Blaster Navy Dom/Rail Navy Domi.

To be fair, I'm not entirely sure that all the COSMOS missions allow Battleships.

That and Navy Domi is a mongrel to fit and the hull is pretty expensive.

Also. My preference list:

Meta 4 Cruise Snake > Rail Navy Domi + Sentry > Rail Vindi > Torp snake + Heavies > Blaster Navy Domi + Heavy > Blaster Vindi.

It mostly comes down to, which I can be the laziest with and still make decent progress. The more I gotta fly around the less enthusiastic I am. SPACE TURRETS! PEW PEW PEW.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#23 - 2016-05-13 17:34:20 UTC
Torpedo Rat... Just say no...

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Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2016-05-13 21:29:26 UTC
There is a formal beast of mission grinding - Golem. The comfort zone it provides is huge. After him i've pick Tengu.

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#25 - 2016-05-14 00:55:46 UTC
Tiddle Jr wrote:
There is a formal beast of mission grinding - Golem. The comfort zone it provides is huge. After him i've pick Tengu.

Kronos is fairly decent as well, but since it wasn't on the Op's list I'm not going to advocate for it either.

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Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2016-05-14 03:34:08 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
PwnageForce wrote:
I appreciate the input but I do not intend to train for marauders, tech 2 cruise missiles, or any gun type besides hybrids so I am trying to decide which is best among the options of RHML Rattlesnake, Blaster or Rail Vindi, Navy Domi or some other hybrid gunboat/droneboat.

RHML Rattlesnake is probably your best bet in terms of raw DPS then. Stick with Rail Vindi for PvE.


Well if he wants to make "layback style" and semi afk so Sentry Navy Domi is still best choice. Purged Rattlesr is great but still have to manage that pair of heavies and pay attention npc won't aggro them.

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PwnageForce
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#27 - 2016-05-14 06:01:58 UTC  |  Edited by: PwnageForce
Since I already have a vindicator I might as well give it a try with blasters:

Should I use armor or shield tank?

[Vindicator, Blaster Armor]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Dark Blood Armor Kinetic Hardener
Dark Blood Armor Kinetic Hardener
Dark Blood Armor Thermal Hardener
Centus C-Type Large Armor Repairer

Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Shadow Serpentis 500MN Microwarpdrive
Stasis Webifier II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800

Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L

Large Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Hybrid Locus Coordinator II

OR
[Vindicator, Blaster Shields]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II

Kinetic Deflection Field II
Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 150
Shadow Serpentis 500MN Microwarpdrive
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Thermal Dissipation Field II

Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L

Large Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Large Processor Overclocking Unit I
Large Hybrid Locus Coordinator II
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#28 - 2016-05-14 06:56:02 UTC
I think you'll get better results from the armor tank. You may find that running both a stasis web and heavy stasis grappler yields some interesting results.

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Arcturus Ursidae
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2016-05-14 07:02:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Arcturus Ursidae
I am really not convinced about a single large ancillary booster as tank.

Also tracking comps are better or at least more focused than, than tracking enhancers.

So I would use the armour version.

Carry void by all means but normal antimatter combined with null when you first enter a pocket is probably more efficient.

Again carry both but optimal range scripts would be better as standard.

I would like to see one navy magstab given the money you have spent.
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2016-05-14 09:05:48 UTC
PwnageForce wrote:
I appreciate the input but I do not intend to train for marauders, tech 2 cruise missiles, or any gun type besides hybrids so I am trying to decide which is best among the options of RHML Rattlesnake, Blaster or Rail Vindi, Navy Domi or some other hybrid gunboat/droneboat.


It's rather silly to ignore Maradeurs class knowing how much effective those in pve. If you have large hybrids trading ned so it's only a month of getting Kronos with your current Gal BS 4. Nothing stops you go and try Golem and then Kronos on SiSi.

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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#31 - 2016-05-14 13:42:28 UTC
Other players have some of the specifics covered so I will do this way.

Why not all three, after all variety is the spice of life and it certainly holds true here in EvE.
With all three you can use whichever one you want, or the one that is best for the PvE content you are doing.
Amanda Chan
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2016-05-15 12:29:59 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Torpedo Rat... Just say no...


Torpedo Rattlesnake isn't terrible if you use Javelins. Since the OP isn't interested in training up Cruises, it's the next best thing.

Forget Rages though, even with a huge focus on missile range you could probably spit farther.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#33 - 2016-05-15 17:05:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Amanda Chan wrote:
Torpedo Rattlesnake isn't terrible if you use Javelins. Since the OP isn't interested in training up Cruises, it's the next best thing.
Forget Rages though, even with a huge focus on missile range you could probably spit farther.

Except if you're going to use Javelin torpedoes, you might as well switch to Faction cruise missiles for more range, damage and application. But I digress... The only other option would be rapid heavy launchers with a T2 hydraulic rig and +5 implant to extend the range out to 80km.

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Flharfh Lhar
Sasquatch Control Bureau
#34 - 2016-05-16 18:17:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Flharfh Lhar
Even meta 4 cruise launchers with T1 missiles are probably going to be better, all things considered, than t2 torpedos for pve. Range and damage application are the big issues. If you can get a little blingy, you can use caldari navy cruise launchers with t1 ammo and have almost as good performance as t2launchers/missiles.

Rattle with cruise missiles is your best option, imo. T2 of one weapon system is not automatically better than meta4 of another in all circumstances - think outside the box you've locked yourself in.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#35 - 2016-05-17 22:22:17 UTC
I'm still going to stick with the Rattlesnake.

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Roenok Baalnorn
Baalnorn Heavy Industries
#36 - 2016-05-18 04:01:55 UTC
I dont mission anymore, But i pretty much use a cruise rattler for all my pve needs or sometimes a VNI.
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