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Minnie vs Amarr FW Heating up for 2012?

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Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Ixion Defence Systems
#41 - 2012-01-12 19:25:48 UTC
Galatica789 wrote:
Capitol One wrote:
Galatica789 wrote:
Elise Randolph wrote:
January 24th, Crucible 1.5 allows alliances to join FW

Amarr Victor B)


FYI we hate you,


Hate is such a strong word Galatica Roll
Not sure how I feel about this alliance thing, I guess time will tell.


PL CSM or any Nullsec CSM calling this a fix to FW is a slap to the face, There all self serving idiots for the MOST part, This gives alliances easy access to better missions hence them being self serving asswipes. 'If changes dont make alliances more powerful, Go **** yourself and cry some more, Love CSM'

Umad Bro!?!?
I Mad!!!!


Just an FYI from someone that was around the days FW was announced and deployed.
The request to allow alliances to join FW was made from the very first days CCP announced FW. Not by 0.0 alliances and their members that happen also to be in CSM, but from RP alliances that were living in high sec (and low sec of course) and had until then sacrificed a lot (and without any help from CCP like FW is) in order to be globally (within eve of course) recognized as a pro-[insert Nation] alliance.

There were not many (CVA, CYI is all i can remember) but those were dedicated and got shafted big time.

0.0 alliances and their members have the opportunities and the know how to make a lot more than anyone in FW (operating in low and high sec). I sincerely doubt that FW is the juicy fruit they want to sink their teeth in.

On the other hand there are alliances living in high and low sec, that were interested in FW and now have a chance to join as an entity and not forced to disband their alliance.
Lord Azeroth
Perkone
Caldari State
#42 - 2012-01-12 19:56:01 UTC
I for one look forward to our new PL overlords !!!
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#43 - 2012-01-12 20:01:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Mutnin
Mithrantir Ob'lontra wrote:


Just an FYI from someone that was around the days FW was announced and deployed.
The request to allow alliances to join FW was made from the very first days CCP announced FW. Not by 0.0 alliances and their members that happen also to be in CSM, but from RP alliances that were living in high sec (and low sec of course) and had until then sacrificed a lot (and without any help from CCP like FW is) in order to be globally (within eve of course) recognized as a pro-[insert Nation] alliance.

There were not many (CVA, CYI is all i can remember) but those were dedicated and got shafted big time.

0.0 alliances and their members have the opportunities and the know how to make a lot more than anyone in FW (operating in low and high sec). I sincerely doubt that FW is the juicy fruit they want to sink their teeth in.

On the other hand there are alliances living in high and low sec, that were interested in FW and now have a chance to join as an entity and not forced to disband their alliance.


I think most of us know this, but those RP alliances tend to take very little interest in FW these days so it makes us question why now is CCP adding this with zero explanation as to what the intentions are. Do they have intentions of letting FW grow into something bigger with the up coming war expansion or what ever they are calling it or is this just being added because it was the oldest requested thing for FW so it's just a rabbit on a stick to drag us a long a bit longer?

I think now that the knee jerk reaction of "OMG" Sov empires will join and blob us to death with 50 super carriers is over, I think people see it might be not so bad, but what is CCP's plan with this or do they have one?

BTW.. I'm pretty sure CCP also promised pirate factions would be involved in FW as well. As long as they are just acting on old request when is that due to be added. I'd love to see pirate factions added (with no missions) and give them space in the boarder areas around the various FW zones.
Corporate GrimReaper
Doomheim
#44 - 2012-01-12 21:21:28 UTC
Mithrantir Ob'lontra wrote:


Just an FYI from someone that was around the days FW was announced and deployed.
The request to allow alliances to join FW was made from the very first days CCP announced FW. Not by 0.0 alliances and their members that happen also to be in CSM, but from RP alliances that were living in high sec (and low sec of course) and had until then sacrificed a lot (and without any help from CCP like FW is) in order to be globally (within eve of course) recognized as a pro-[insert Nation] alliance.

There were not many (CVA, CYI is all i can remember) but those were dedicated and got shafted big time.

0.0 alliances and their members have the opportunities and the know how to make a lot more than anyone in FW (operating in low and high sec). I sincerely doubt that FW is the juicy fruit they want to sink their teeth in.

On the other hand there are alliances living in high and low sec, that were interested in FW and now have a chance to join as an entity and not forced to disband their alliance.


Corporate GrimReaper wrote:


When is a major alliance like that joining any militia good? Last I heard PL was hired to attack -A-. Why would an alliance like that fight in the militia for free when they can get paid in null. Makes no sense. Cant just choose a major alliance like that and say they will fight without facts to back yourself up. If you have them, please show them. I think -A- will love to see them leave their space.


Corporate GrimReaper wrote:


Just saying what I heard from my lead in -A-. PL was hired to attack -A- by SS. Why would PL join the militia for free rather than fight for billions? What would be in it for PL to join the Amarr or Minmatar militia?


My point exactly. Why would any alliance join FW for free if they can make trillions out there. PL was pad hundreds of billions to attack -A-. I heard it was between 700 billion to 800 billion ISK. Then again -A- might be wrong about their payment. Point is, the null sec alliances will not join FW, because it makes no sense.
Corporate GrimReaper
Doomheim
#45 - 2012-01-12 21:23:30 UTC
Lord Azeroth wrote:
I for one look forward to our new PL overlords !!!


Please read post above. PL will consider FW a waste of their time and money.
Har Harrison
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2012-01-14 10:08:17 UTC
Corporate GrimReaper wrote:
Har Harrison wrote:
Corporate GrimReaper wrote:
Har Harrison wrote:

Pandemic Legion are joining the Amarr Militia??? Pirate
Don't know if this is a good or a bad thing What?



When is a major alliance like that joining any militia good? Last I heard PL was hired to attack -A-. Why would an alliance like that fight in the militia for free when they can get paid in null. Makes no sense. Cant just choose a major alliance like that and say they will fight without facts to back yourself up. If you have them, please show them. I think -A- will love to see them leave their space.

I suggest you train "Engage brain before typing" skill...

Read the post I quoted.

Now read the details of the person who posted the post I quoted (Here - I'll put them below to help you)
Elise Randolph
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion

Obviously the humour in the post was missed on you. I apologise!!!


Just saying what I heard from my lead in -A-. PL was hired to attack -A- by SS. Why would PL join the militia for free rather than fight for billions? What would be in it for PL to join the Amarr or Minmatar militia?


Yes again, let me explain it for you. S L O W L Y... We were being HUMEROUS based on a post above by a PL member. We are smart enough to realise PL won't join FW full time. At best they will live in Amamake when bored for a short period of time...

Har Harrison
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2012-01-14 10:08:51 UTC
Corporate GrimReaper wrote:
Lord Azeroth wrote:
I for one look forward to our new PL overlords !!!


Please read post above. PL will consider FW a waste of their time and money.
Again see prior postRoll

Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#48 - 2012-01-14 12:30:44 UTC
this is perhaps win win for ccp, 0.0 gets more possible targets and less boring crap, low sec/fw gets more action - at least the way they see it :P

when in fact, a few 0.0 allince douches could throw the delicate ballence of FW, which many actually enjoy.

Fix 0.0 before wrecking fw!

Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.

Lord Azeroth
Perkone
Caldari State
#49 - 2012-01-14 16:15:24 UTC
Muad 'dib wrote:
this is perhaps win win for ccp, 0.0 gets more possible targets and less boring crap, low sec/fw gets more action - at least the way they see it :P

when in fact, a few 0.0 allince douches could throw the delicate ballence of FW, which many actually enjoy.

Fix 0.0 before wrecking fw!


I for one look forward to our new ______(Insert Name)_____Overlords with limitless Drake Blobs and Cap hot-drops.
Har Harrison
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2012-01-17 03:52:18 UTC
Just here to remind everyone in the Amarr Militia to get ready to welcome our new PL overlords...
That is all!!!

Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
#51 - 2012-01-17 08:26:37 UTC
I cannot help but remember "For want of a nail" in yesterdays fight in Siseide. Minmatar fleet was already in system to bust the bunker. However, we had four people who managed to secure a minor plex and make system non-vulnerable.

Minmatar had numbers but they did not enter minor plex until they had 8 vs 4 odds. By the time they entered it was too late and plex was capped. This delay enabled Amarr to form a response and ultimately minmatar lost four capitals to the bunker. If they had brought fight initially on equal terms they might have won and in such case would almost certainly still have those capital ships...

Four capitals lost, all because of four destroyers. Good trade off in my opinion Lol*

*Well, three destroyers and one worm but it sounds better that way.
JasonXXL
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2012-01-17 08:40:21 UTC
Some odd reasoning going on there. If they were indeed already shooting a bunker they would probably have been in ships that can't enter a minor plex.
Har Harrison
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2012-01-19 03:03:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Har Harrison
JasonXXL wrote:
Some odd reasoning going on there. If they were indeed already shooting a bunker they would probably have been in ships that can't enter a minor plex.

You can't shoot the bunker UNTIL the system is vulnerable. What Damar said is that they were waiting on the bunker for the system to go vulnerable. The Amarr managed to run a minor to pull things back slightly, which meant the minmitar were on the field waiting for the bunker to be shootable and it wasn't. This delay in time allowed the Amarr to raise a defence fleet.

FML - having watched the videos, I would LOVE to have been there

Part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjFNMliB584&feature=g-u&context=G268b970FUAAAAAAAAAQ

Part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTXyszYVAJM&feature=g-u&context=G28ce55aFUAAAAAAAAAA

Flyinghotpocket
Small Focused Memes
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#54 - 2012-01-19 07:28:43 UTC
Deen Wispa wrote:
I noticed one of the major corps from Gal FW along with various pilots from other Gal FW have moved over to help on the Minmitar front. Most likely in search of goodfights since Gal vs Squids is too currently lopsided.

Is this an indication that Minnie vs Amarr warfront will heat up in early 2012? One hopes so.



actually its because the amarrian retribution has lead the crusade and retook all our sov, and is now taking minmatar sov steam rolling through there systems.

Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro

sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#55 - 2012-01-19 14:06:17 UTC
Na its Damars fault, those guys love him.

Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head.

Galatica789
Victory or Whatever
Nourv Gate Security Commission
#56 - 2012-01-19 14:25:55 UTC
Capitol One wrote:
Galatica789 wrote:
I mad


You're always mad Big smile

But as for this alliance thing, I'm waiting before I write it off completely. I'm guessing it will make things a little more interesting in the beginning, but will then fail-cascade like so many "fixes" do. Here's to hoping it will actually work out and everyone will be happy pandas.

Call me a hopeful pessimist.


I get sad sometimes :(
Galatica789
Victory or Whatever
Nourv Gate Security Commission
#57 - 2012-01-19 14:26:39 UTC
Flyinghotpocket wrote:
Deen Wispa wrote:
I noticed one of the major corps from Gal FW along with various pilots from other Gal FW have moved over to help on the Minmitar front. Most likely in search of goodfights since Gal vs Squids is too currently lopsided.

Is this an indication that Minnie vs Amarr warfront will heat up in early 2012? One hopes so.



actually its because the amarrian retribution has lead the crusade and retook all our sov, and is now taking minmatar sov steam rolling through there systems.


Come to Gulm,Lulm and Bos.
Large Collidable Object
morons.
#58 - 2012-01-19 21:46:01 UTC
Elise Randolph wrote:
January 24th, Crucible 1.5 allows alliances to join FW

Amarr Victor B)



Heh - I actually remember you and Grath having been in the Amarr Militia back in the early days of FW IIRC.

Anyway - I doubt PL or any significant alliance has the standings to join any militia or would want to if they could - I doubt the change will have a huge impact other than alliances forming within the militias.
You know... [morons.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjOx65yD5A)
Har Harrison
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2012-01-20 02:25:48 UTC
Flyinghotpocket wrote:
Deen Wispa wrote:
I noticed one of the major corps from Gal FW along with various pilots from other Gal FW have moved over to help on the Minmitar front. Most likely in search of goodfights since Gal vs Squids is too currently lopsided.

Is this an indication that Minnie vs Amarr warfront will heat up in early 2012? One hopes so.



actually its because the amarrian retribution has lead the crusade and retook all our sov, and is now taking minmatar sov steam rolling through there systems.

Now THIS is an interesting discussion point for alliances. Amarrian Retribution is currently in a coalition with a number of the other major Amarr FW corps to orchastrate plexing activities. If these corps were in an alliance, would that further improve the organisation?
Regardless, people are having good fights and as per the links I posted a few posts back, there was a good BS/cap fight.

Flyinghotpocket
Small Focused Memes
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#60 - 2012-01-20 18:22:43 UTC
Galatica789 wrote:
Flyinghotpocket wrote:
Deen Wispa wrote:
I noticed one of the major corps from Gal FW along with various pilots from other Gal FW have moved over to help on the Minmitar front. Most likely in search of goodfights since Gal vs Squids is too currently lopsided.

Is this an indication that Minnie vs Amarr warfront will heat up in early 2012? One hopes so.



actually its because the amarrian retribution has lead the crusade and retook all our sov, and is now taking minmatar sov steam rolling through there systems.


Come to Gulm,Lulm and Bos.


i would love nothing more than to take your systems

Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro