EVE General Discussion

I once got decloaked by rats 100km over a belt once. Rats killed my AFK Covert Ops.

I once thought I was cloaked up, and was wondering why that frigate was burning so fast in my general direction... Whoopsie.

I was going to ask this.

Any children as well?

Or a wife that likes to clean your keyboard?

Herzog, if you think what was written is correct, then jump in game and test it.

That's the first thing I did, before replying, when I saw that reply to the OP. It's just factually wrong.

That's a lot of nonsense.

Also, you wording makes it sound as if he did it once which could be explained by sheer luck, the target being at an obvious 0-100km from a celestial or him getting the intel elsewhere (previously used BM, spy alt or whatever). His statements make it sound as if he can repeat the process.

Dracvlad is not wrong...but it isn't as likely as it seems. Here is why:

Safe spots are a function of a number of things. Which celestial are you warping to, warp speed, and when you click on the bookmark button. While players might duplicate the first two with a high probability, the chances of the third makes the over all process far less likely. Adding in two bookmarks constructed in a similar manner makes it even less likely.

For example, suppose at the time of making the initial bookmark there are 2 viable celestial bodies. We'll stipulate the same warp speed to simplify the calculations so that can be omitted. All that is left is the probability of dropping a bookmark at exactly the same time. Let suppose there are 20 seconds in which this bookmark could be dropped.

Probability two players have the same bookmark is 0.5*0.05 = 0.025.

Now, again, lets assume the same numbers for the second bookmark. So now the probability of 2 players making the same two bookmarks is 0.000625.

Now, we have to make the third bookmark to make and lets assume for the sake of this example, there are 10 seconds in which to create a viable bookmark (e.g. not on grid with the other two bookmarks). Now the probability is 0.0000625. How often would we have to try and create such book marks to get one hit--i.e. two players each creating the same bookmark? 1 in 16,000 tries. If we increase the number of celestials the probability drops rapidly.

It could happen, but my guess is you thought you activated your cloak, but in fact did not and were probed down and killed.

If it's not as likely as "will create safe spots in exactly the same spot" given the conditions Vlad stipulated, then it is wrong.

You even showed its wrong, hence my original question.

It's wrong for all the reasons you point out and additional ones such as server ping time, which isn't the same for everyone, nor even the same for one person at different times. So when you press the button to accept the bookmark is less important than when the server receives the message.

And it is an extremely easy claim to check. Any of us can do it. Go make a safe as outlined by the OP and if 2 aren't in the exact same spot using the same method, then the claim is wrong. It's simple to test.

As a side note.

If people consistantly landed on the same bmk within 2kms a trade hub like Jita would be a good place to use that tactic to find peoples instawarp bmks yet it doesnt work. Even with the multitude of people using dif or the same bmks you dont see a wealth of OMG someone landed on top of me!! moments as people use them. And if such heavily used and traveled areas DONT experience this sort of phenomena on a grand scale it is a telling statistic imo.

Sorry, what's my ilk?

People come to the forum for different reasons, including to learn things. The OP for example came here to learn something.

Occasionally people look back through threads. So when there is something in a thread that is wrong about the mechanics like this, it's worth raising the question, so then someone who may read it in the future isn't given a wrong impression of how some things work.

I saw that comment and it immediately stood out as counter to my own understanding, so I went and tested it and found it incorrect. So I asked the question, because maybe I misunderstood what was meant. But I didn't. What Vlad wrote was apparently what he meant, but he misunderstood what the OP wrote.

No skin off anyone's nose. Mistakes happen to everyone.

Noone (at least not me) said it wasn't possible to find Safes in between two Celestials. I even do that on Occasion.

BUT

- those were not cloaked
- that safe was between two celestials
- he landed 100km away

It gets considerably harder when

- those ships are cloaked
- that safe is between two Bookmarks (!!!)

It's even worse when those warps are long or you have an old BM of a deep Signature, which would be out of reach for everyone without probes.

Using this procedure your bookmark 3 will be on the line between bookmark 1 and celestial C. Actually making bookmark 2 while warping from B to C you get properly misaligned lines.