EVE General Discussion

But they are technically ok. Enormous ship that uses swarms of fighters to fend off any approaching smaller vessels. Seems working just fine. Maybe you would have to find some other counter to that? Like bigger, nastier capital? With enormous guns?

Careful. I hear logic isn't openly welcomed on the internet.

Being said, has anyone put a carrier up against a dread yet? Since the patch, I mean. 1v1 slugfest.

First of all before we start, battleships have too low an EHP in this game, so onto the subject matter, you can kill the fighters, they are rather squishy and a carrier cannot carry an unlimited supply. People have got used to the lazy thing of coming in on a carrier killing it without losing a ship and using kitchen sink type fleets, now they have real risk of losing stuff and now they have to use the correct fleet composition, seriously can you stop whining and up your game. Carriers are now difficult to kill and need to be dealt with in a thoughtful way with sub caps or you drop dreads on them once you have them pointed.

The balance is now right in my opinion, people are killing carriers in sub caps, they are just using their noddles, we sat down and assessed what we can and cannot do with carriers, we also looked at what we needed to kill one or two, it is not terribly difficult if you put your mind on it.

Yes new carriers are fun.
You simply need to kill fighters before killing carrier.


Maybe assault ships could get a role?
Reduce damage from other ships to fighters, but greatly increase damage dealt by assault frigates.
This needs to have also balance, so assault frigates need to be much more vulnerable to anti fighters.


Still fighters are dying quite easy - sometimes multiple wings to a single cruiser - after checking few pages of kills/looses there is no need for any balance here as more fighters are dying than subcaps they are killing.

Fighers are dying to battleships, multiple wings to auto cannon machariels :
https://zkillboard.com/related/30004923/201605151300/

Where there is problem again?
That a fighters can kill unsupported frigate or interdictor?
What is wrong with this?

To abstain from pejoratives, i'll just say that you are horribly wrong.
When the patch hit i used the carrier on my alt to blap ppl as they were undocking and docking (did not use a NSA at the time).
An alliance m8 almost single handedly blapped a docking Orca (4x dda Nidhoggur with t2 fighters) that was 50k away .... his fighters do 12km/s.

I've been recently flying a slasher, 3.75km/s without overload, lowest sig in the game, and does 5.3-5.4km/s with overload.
99% of the time, when jumping into a gatecamp, my first mwd cycle is an overload mwd cycle.

I roamed with a friend in drone regions, gate bubble with 12-15 large t2 bubbles, 60-65k from gate you are totally bubbled.
I warp to it after checking the system, archon lands on perch, 250k above gate.
Launches Templar I's, 3 wings, we mwd to gate ..... i jumped with fighters 15k from me, if he had been faster on spamming the rocket salvo, i would have died because at those speeds, the server would have probably processed his order of attack before my order to jump on next tick.

I jumped into Stain, haven't been around in a while there.
https://zkillboard.com/kill/54243347/
I died 6k from gate, my mwd did not die (was not scrammed), 1st mwd cycle was overloaded. Between acceleration and the fact that it was a regular gate, must have taken 4s .... i know i got the notification of loss at 7-8k from gate, travelled a little bit more with capsule ejected and was in pod at 6k from gate.
Nyx was on a citadel, over 1000k away.

I jumped into ceptor gangs before, i jumped into arty svipuls and good action/thinking saves you most of the times.
I jumped into a 720mm bradsword with a sabre going almost 4km/s and i got out in a sliver of hull.
First cycle of mwd was overloaded, i got scrammed at 22-24, inertia carried me to 37 where point dropped, spammed mwd, and i managed to get to range with 160 hull points.

Instalock t3d's, overpowered t3d's, 40k scrams, and now instalock carriers with fantastic application.
This game is centered on moving through certain areas, stargates. Chokepoints exist in most null sec regions as most are pipe like, which are easily seen if you look at the maps (stargates in general are moving areas, but i'm talking of constellation entrances).
The game in the past 4 months has had a lot of instalock death things added to it, that are also more or less mobile who camp these points.

When you roam solo or in small gang you assume certain risks, you figure out with time that unless you do the +1 scout and also booster thing, it's just a matter of time before you jump into something you can't handle.
You get better, but you can never get rid of this, it happens so you accept it bill for doing this.
But this has horrible pushed the probability of something happening upwards.
So much so, that the highs you get from a good fight, become rarer and rarer, and soon even more so as this kind of camping and intervention (with a carrier) proliferates.

Counter, loggoffski .... get used to it.
You can't drop them because it's their space, you are far from home and they are practically perma aligned or within the loving embrace of a citadel.
I can't believe that ppl with roots in Snigg and solo pvp (kil2) have done something like this to the small roaming gang/solo aspect of the game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R84Pk847waE

This shows the problem for ppl still defending carriers.

I <3 carriers.

Almost as much as I <3 all the tears on all these threads about carriers.

Instalock everywhere.