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Moving in a WH solo

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King Aires
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2015-12-08 00:56:40 UTC
Pick your statics wisely.

When you have hole security run your static and make tons of isk.

When you don't have hole security (Frig holes or known cloakers) gas mine the good stuff.
Zeddicus Cypher
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2016-01-17 02:13:40 UTC
So, I'm back at Eve from a substantial break and fairly new to Wormholes and exploration. I just got that WH mapping thing setup and was having quite a bit of fun with it. I, however, was curious about a few things mentioned here:

The idea of claiming a WH...I assume you do that by burning new hikes to reduce the likelihood of people wandering in? The static system is also not entirely clear. I'm also curious what ships (as Amarr) would be suggested for combat in Wspace. I really dig my covops, but want to blast some things. Mostly cruiser trained and enjoy them smaller ships...Arbitrator is my bad, baby.

Thanks ^_^
Boudacca Sangrere
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#23 - 2016-01-21 09:26:27 UTC
WHs do not have SOV in the classical sense. You "claim" a WH by setting up a tower (POS) and making sure no other, non-friendly tower exists in the system. There are many empty (i.e. unclaimed) WHs in WH space, but the better the connection, or effect, the more likely it will be that you will find mostly occupied systems.

As someone else said earlier, it can be quite challenging to live in a WH solo, especially if your previous WH experience is limited. Things like getting fuel (for the POS) in, loot out, etc can be a pain and definately hazardous. If you like WHs, enjoy blowing stuff up, love the cov-ops life as well, then I do recommend that you find yourself a (lower class) WH corp (low - class meaning C1-C4, which means mostly sub-cap ship skills). If you find later on that you need to try your hand at flying caps (capital ships), then C5 and C6 corps will be able to offer that.

Welcome back to EvE and have fun in J-space (WHs are named J-XXXXX, hence the name).

Fly dangerously,

B.
Boudacca Sangrere
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#24 - 2016-01-21 09:31:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Boudacca Sangrere
Forgot to add:


the Confessor (amarr tactical destroyer) is an extreemly capable ship for WH space, ESPECIALLY in a system with Wolf Ryatt (sp?) effect (massive bonus to small weapons, the higher the WH (C1 - C6) the bigger the bonus). The Sacriledge is also a very capable ship for WHs (C1 - C3). Paladins are also quite good (C4 and up), but then you are putting some REAL Isk at risk with those.

Maybe others can chime in on Amarr ships as well.


B.
HTIDRaver
Neurosurgical Reconstruction Centre
#25 - 2016-01-22 00:25:11 UTC
Piotr Kavees wrote:
I'm looking into moving into a c4 wh solo, with a c3 static. I'm wondering, from people who have done it before, the profitability. I have 2 alts, both capable of flying marauders. (One vargur, one paladin) able to mine, and PI. I was also looking into making combat boosters while inside, but I'm not sure it would be worth it due to the logistics. I'm gonna set up a large pos because I plan to be there for a while.

So, in the endless experience of the eve forums, what kind of Isk per hour can be made in a c4 with a c3 static? And also, any tips to maximize profits would be greatly appreciated.


i've read in a lot of places that marauders have a hard time in c3 sites so be careful with that.. on the other hand i've heard that with enough deadspace gear it's definitely doable.
Jessica23Atreides
Perkone
Caldari State
#26 - 2016-02-04 01:25:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Jessica23Atreides
It's not possible... unless you plan on running a main with 3-5 scout toons. Upkeep on even a small tower just isn't worth the effort. And a Large (your plan) is 10x more futile.

You can't mine, you will die. I promise.

You can't PI because it will take a large fleet of BS (HOURS and HOURS) to take down Customs Offices and you will NEVER recoup the costs of putting up your own even if you played Eve until the year 2200 with 10 perfect PI alts.

I MIGHT be ok with a small staging tower and just running the hell out of the C3 statics but then you run into the issue of rolling WHs.

My advice... Get a T3 and carry a mobile depot with you. Swap out scanning fits with dmg fits and just scan down WHs. Be a wanderer because you will not succeed in settling in a WH of any size. Your soul will be crushed if you try.
Cidanel Afuran
Grant Village
#27 - 2016-02-04 20:29:06 UTC
Jessica23Atreides wrote:
It's not possible... unless you plan on running a main with 3-5 scout toons. Upkeep on even a small tower just isn't worth the effort. And a Large (your plan) is 10x more futile.

You can't mine, you will die. I promise.

You can't PI because it will take a large fleet of BS (HOURS and HOURS) to take down Customs Offices and you will NEVER recoup the costs of putting up your own even if you played Eve until the year 2200 with 10 perfect PI alts.

I MIGHT be ok with a small staging tower and just running the hell out of the C3 statics but then you run into the issue of rolling WHs.

My advice... Get a T3 and carry a mobile depot with you. Swap out scanning fits with dmg fits and just scan down WHs. Be a wanderer because you will not succeed in settling in a WH of any size. Your soul will be crushed if you try.


Please don't take this advice. None of it.

I lived solo in WHs for a while with little problem.

First, never, never take a small tower. Go for a medium. Medium POS's don't take that much fuel and are more than manageable solo. Smalls will get smashed. No one will take the effort to mess with a medium dickstar in a lower level WH. People aren't that bored. You can easily mine in safety, as long as you know your neighbors, watch for probes, etc. I never once lost a prospect/venture gas mining while living in WHs solo. It's fairly easy to find an empty hole with POCOs that already have good tax rates. No real need to take them down immediately, and even if you want to, I've taken them out an oracle and stratios alone pretty quickly. Just roll all your incoming holes closed, crit your statics, and semi-afk bash them for a few hours. You by no means need battleships.

Do not take a T3. That's a stupid amount of ISK to risk on the field when you can get by fairly well solo in a drake/gila and not have your day ruined if you lose it.

Pick your statics. To start with, the most empty holes you will find are probably C1/LS statics. That's where I started, and while the ISK isn't nearly as good, it's a great safe place to learn the ropes of WHs.
gregora mai
The Northerners
Pandemic Horde
#28 - 2016-02-05 13:02:32 UTC  |  Edited by: gregora mai
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I moved in a C3 WH with my Alts not long ago.
I would prefer a Large Tower as a d1ck Star in a C3 without bonus Effects and an U210 connection to Lowsec.
With running Sites at the first week I amortized all my investments of the Tower, Defence etc. Fuel and Ships. After one week it was only an ISK printing machine:
One Alt to fly the Sites and Data/Relics
Four Alts for PI
One Alt for Hauling Stuff in and out.

For all Sites I use a T3 Legion and if it would be popped I could reimburse it easy with the earned money.
Doing Gas Reaktions in the WH is a nice way to generate extra cash.
Depending on your Skills I would choose a Confessor for C2 and a Legion (or maybe Drake to stay cheap) for C3.
Keep in mind that a C3 will generate a lot more ISK but would be more dangerous.

Jessica23Atreides wrote:

You can't PI because it will take a large fleet of BS (HOURS and HOURS) to take down Customs Offices and you will NEVER recoup the costs of putting up your own even if you played Eve until the year 2200 with 10 perfect PI alts.


Sorry for beeing honest, but that is bullshit.
Shooting a POCO with two Polarized Oracles takes 45 minutes. With three Alts and doing PI on a Lava Planet you will have the new bought POCO amortized in one month...
Andrew Space
Doomheim
#29 - 2016-02-17 17:59:35 UTC
Jessica23Atreides wrote:
It's not possible... unless you plan on running a main with 3-5 scout toons. Upkeep on even a small tower just isn't worth the effort. And a Large (your plan) is 10x more futile.

You can't mine, you will die. I promise.

You can't PI because it will take a large fleet of BS (HOURS and HOURS) to take down Customs Offices and you will NEVER recoup the costs of putting up your own even if you played Eve until the year 2200 with 10 perfect PI alts.

I MIGHT be ok with a small staging tower and just running the hell out of the C3 statics but then you run into the issue of rolling WHs.

My advice... Get a T3 and carry a mobile depot with you. Swap out scanning fits with dmg fits and just scan down WHs. Be a wanderer because you will not succeed in settling in a WH of any size. Your soul will be crushed if you try.



This post is depressing.
Imustbecomfused
Illicit Expo
#30 - 2016-03-03 11:25:55 UTC
Piotr Kavees wrote:
I'm looking into moving into a c4 wh solo, with a c3 static. I'm wondering, from people who have done it before, the profitability. I have 2 alts, both capable of flying marauders. (One vargur, one paladin) able to mine, and PI. I was also looking into making combat boosters while inside, but I'm not sure it would be worth it due to the logistics. I'm gonna set up a large pos because I plan to be there for a while.

So, in the endless experience of the eve forums, what kind of Isk per hour can be made in a c4 with a c3 static? And also, any tips to maximize profits would be greatly appreciated.



Usually, we use the rapier as an all out utility ship, for webbing an orca off the grid, scanning, scouting, even hauling light stuff. Use of cov ops frigs is helpful for scanning. Using a t2 transport is nice cause of the cloak. it hold just enough to drop a pos and enough stront and fuel to get the pos online. once the pos has a shield... then bring in the assets after rolling the static.

Prepare and create a procedure for certain things you do in eve, and make note in a journal or notepad or google docs, something to record a log as well. Planning is key, Finding what we call a prospect is easy now that Thera exists. We have clones there so we can simply jump there, get in a ship, and go map the chains available to you. Once you find a prospect, get a back up scanner in there, and log em off... find access not using thera to bring in a wh collapsing megathron, or any assets. thera is just using to increase our chances of finding a decent wh connection, to more whs.... :)

then we watch it for a few days or weeks depending. :) it makes good use of out of corp alts logged off in a t2 cov ops scanner.

aldhura
Blackjack and Exotic Dancers
Top Tier
#31 - 2016-03-04 01:36:08 UTC
Better of solo'ing in a c3, its pretty easy if you know the basics. I solo'd in a c3 and then a c4.. went back to c3.. its easier
Imustbecomfused
Illicit Expo
#32 - 2016-04-27 07:46:09 UTC
aldhura wrote:
Better of solo'ing in a c3, its pretty easy if you know the basics. I solo'd in a c3 and then a c4.. went back to c3.. its easier


Truth spoken. It totally is easier. :)

Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#33 - 2016-04-27 12:43:06 UTC
aldhura wrote:
Better of solo'ing in a c3, its pretty easy if you know the basics. I solo'd in a c3 and then a c4.. went back to c3.. its easier


Agreed. You don't want to be on the c4 highway.. Going solo.. c1 if you want to pi farm, c3 if you want to solo pve...

c2 and c4... the scary people roam around there.

Yaay!!!!

Eva Ambrosa
State War Academy
Caldari State
#34 - 2016-04-27 18:47:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Eva Ambrosa
Man, the amount of bad advice on here is astonishing.

Look, you can make 100-650mil per hour in WH space without escalations. That's not changing with the changes released today.

If you're going to gas mine with your two toons, you'll want to skip anything that isn't c320 or c540 (which can only be found in C5/C6 space).

In terms of ships, for a c3 don't waste your time with a marauder. **** fit a faction battleship, get 1000 DPS and call it a day.

Speaking of, since you have two toons, you really aught to get a c5 connection, while it sounds scary, run two remote cap rattles (only 700m a piece) and rake in 600-700m/hour depending on your salvage luck.

Whoever said WH space isn't as profitable as incursions doesn't know what they're talking about. Scan down your chain, pay attention to dscan and you'll do just fine.

I make about 20-30b per ratting pair I lose. I use to use marauders to run c5 sites but frankly, it's a 2b fit and in comparison to multiboxing it's just not worth it. (Of course multi-boxing marauders is possible as well, but then you're fielding 5b instead of 1.5b and you do lose ships every so often)

Take the advice from Low-Class above, join an experienced WH corp, WH space is both more fun and safer with other people, but if you're really set on it learn a few things from an established group before setting off on your own.

As to the C2/C4 pipe, I'm the CEO of one of those "scary groups" and trust me, it's not just the pipe that's scary, we typically have 30-40 systems scanned at any given time. And while one of our statics is a C4, we scan plenty of holes that aren't part of either pipe.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#35 - 2016-04-28 00:49:16 UTC
Plz stop necroing this thread... jesus christ...

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Imustbecomfused
Illicit Expo
#36 - 2016-05-13 05:15:26 UTC
pull my finger
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ISD Alliance
#37 - 2016-05-15 21:13:11 UTC
No need to necro this thread with non-constructive posts.

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