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What The H-E-Double Hockey Sticks Happened to Mining?
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Aaron Honk
Distributed Denial of Service
#81 - 2016-05-15 05:46:44 UTC
How to get a mining permit :

1/ Find someone who bought one

2/ Copy his bio into your bio

3/ ???

4/ Profit
Chopper Rollins
hahahlolspycorp
#82 - 2016-05-15 05:50:17 UTC
CODE guy starts RP thread using throwaway "lolmining" toon.
Everybody has advice.
Again.



Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Solonius Rex
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#83 - 2016-05-15 08:13:32 UTC
Aucturis Arbosa wrote:
Sustrai Aditua wrote:
Don't let the tough boy responses fool you. Ganking miners as a sole activity for the unimaginative, and low achievers has become a mainstay - and I daresay, the most active activity in EVE now.

I suggest miners stop mining. Let the shelves run out of goods. No. Wait. The "large alliances" with a lock on thing$ will just keep mining and funding (it's CODE for...meh, who cares?)

Become a miner ganker yourself perhaps? It may be more challenging to watch them unload produce at the local Publix.


What I'm thinking about is taking my Typhoon out to where I got ganked....cloak and wait for those 2 a-holes to show back up in their frigates....


Dont take your typhoon out. Thats stupid.

a) decloaking has a targetting penalty. By the time you lock on to them, they will have already finished the gank.
b) They already expect to lose the ships. You are literally doing nothing.
c) typhoons are stupid choices for ganking frigs. Best go with a tornado, cheaper, and much better.

Bad ideas all around.
Fal Dara
Vortex Command Corporation
#84 - 2016-05-15 08:17:25 UTC
to the OP

I am sure there has been plenty of advice to help you already, with fits, and choosing a tankier ship. Do those if you please. They work.

Other options, 'out of the box' ... lvl 1 combat missions. Do them, several of them have HUGE amounts of ore in them, some of them even have nulsec ores. Find these missions, do them, mine them--chances are, most gankers are going to be too lazy to probe you out and find you in HS. If they do, the mission area gives you some protection/time to escape.

Train to use a Prospect (t2 mining frig). Fit for mining, and using a small shield booster/AB, it can mine in low sec. Find some relatively empty low sec, and mine there. Learn your d-scan tool, and keep an eye on local. I can mine for an hour in one of these even in heavily trafficked areas of low sec. The Prospect, with the right mining lasers, mines as much as a retriever. Seriously. The prospect can tank low sec rats just fine, with a small shield booster, and an active afterburner while it orbits.

You could even use a prospect to mine in high sec, and use some high speed orbiting to discourage ganks (they cant really hit ya too well, when you're moving 4kms). This likley wont be the best option.

There. some different ideas.
Solonius Rex
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#85 - 2016-05-15 08:19:32 UTC
Aucturis Arbosa wrote:
Black Pedro wrote:
[quote=Aucturis Arbosa]More lucrative professions with low bars to entry include exploration, PI (although I would look to lowsec) which is pretty passive once you get it set up, or even wormhole gas mining. Gas miners are dirt cheap (although the skill book is not) and while you will get close to 100M ISK/hour if you can ninja high end sites, your overall income will be lower given the time overhead of scanning down wormhole chains.

You never said why you want to make ISK but if it for PvP you might just want to just jump into Faction Warfare. The plexes and eventually missions pay very well. Similarly if you have the skills sleeper combat sites in the low class wormholes you can easily access from highsec are lucrative and relatively quick and safe.



For the main reason ISK...because I want to buy stuff!Lol But I've got my skills up to pilot an ORCA, so that's my main goal for now is to purchase and insure one of those bad boys...Working on my carrier skills now. That's my next goal. I guess after all that I'll try to join a corp. Its a cool open sandbox game and I know there are other players out there, but sometimes I'd rather just fly SOLO (pun intended).


You cant use carriers in hisec, and you need a good low/nullsec corp to utilize your carrier well. Orcas are also a waste of time since you will most likely be using them in hisec, which means youve got a conflict of interest in terms of what you want to do.

Neither of your dreams work as a solo player. My suggestion is to first find a decent corp, and THEN think about what you want to do.
Solonius Rex
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#86 - 2016-05-15 08:22:53 UTC
Gurista Nerfed wrote:
Everybody ganks, or tries to. Everybody wardec griefs. Everybody talks **** in local. The game is out of control.
About the permit thing, that's just a silly thing that you can safely tell them to stuff where the sun don't shine.


Ganking has always existed. Wardecs have always existed. People have always talked **** in local. This is how the game is intended to work, and its all under control.

Sounds like youre angry about being ganked.
000Hunter000
Missiles 'R' Us
#87 - 2016-05-15 10:04:44 UTC
Please note these 5 simple steps while attempting to mine:

1. Don't mine afk
2. keep alert (aka don't mine afk)
3. align with the nearest station (aka don't mine afk)
4. ??? (aka don't mine afk)
5. Profit (chance of u have done the first 4 steps and didn't mine afk)

Oh, and don't pay for a permit, cuz thats just silly
Kiddoomer
The Red Sequence
#88 - 2016-05-15 11:24:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Kiddoomer
Doesn't seem to really want advices, poorly mined afk and doesnt want to stop it, 5 pages already ...

Yup, that's it.

In the name of Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen : “Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.”
Morgan Agrivar
Doomheim
#89 - 2016-05-15 23:24:27 UTC
I don't know. If I was mining, I would dream of some gankers coming to release me from my hellish nightmare. I bought the mining permit to support CODE and what they do for highsec.

They need to make mining more engaging to prevent 'afkism', which is a debilitating disease of your mouse and keyboard.
Dr GotYourDaisy
Arcane Evolution
#90 - 2016-05-16 00:12:17 UTC
They may not have the guns to fight back, but they fuel the production lines.... You're telling me that they are not capable of coming together and raising the prices of the ships being used against them to make it non-profitable for the gankers?

"But we are a small corp, no sp's, no fighting skills etc etc", so what? Are you not capable of trying to network out to larger corps and making alliances?

Sounds more like this new breed of miner's would like everything handed to them. instead of facing their tribulations of initiation into this world we all call Eve.

Quit being small minded, and think BIG.

"But But Dr. that's not how I want to play the game", "I want to play the game this way". GO AHEAD, but remember no one promised you that if you play the game your way you'll become a great success. Success comes from adapting, evolving, and finding a way to fill a niche so quite being a _____.
Pandora Carrollon
Provi Rapid Response
#91 - 2016-05-16 03:14:04 UTC
Sorry, you don't need a Skiff. A Procurer is just fine if fitted properly. Concord will pop anything short of a hyped up cruiser before it can kill you even in .5 space. For a ship powerful enough to down you before the Corcord time limit, your cargo would have to be excessively valuable, and that is NEVER going to happen in HiSec unless you make a significant mistake.

You can even fly a Retriever if you have escort. The danger in HiSec is a bit overstated unless you spend a lot of time AFK. If you are AFK in anything less than a Procurer, you get what you deserve.

CODE is CODE. It's a PVE organization because they mine industrials not asteroids. Pay them or not it's up to you however the rumor mill has it that they don't always hold to their own permits so, take it all with a grain of salt.

Your best defense is a solid corporation behind you. It wouldn't matter who tried to pick on you, if it's solid,

8 Golden Rules of EVE • EVE is entirely PvP
lollerwaffle
Perkone
Caldari State
#92 - 2016-05-16 07:52:51 UTC
Terra Universum wrote:
People of the forums... Realize that a lot of people play Eve for other reasons than the actual game play.

Do you think people mine in high sec because the isk is good? Please... They mine there because mining is a very relaxing actvivity and just chilling in space with the great visuals of the mining lasers.

Like someone once said, mining is the BEST screen saver ever.

You have OP here, just wants to mine and relax and just CHILL. Make concord respond faster, because Ops style of gameplay is not really about crappy hi sec isk, it's about the experience of being in an asteroid belt with the beautiful visuals and simply enjoying eve.


EDIT: Remember the days when you could hide the UI and just mine? Yeah, you cant do that anymore. There are plenty of activities that require attention and detail, mining isn't one of them. Let it remain what is always was... Relaxing... Chill....


lol wat

Want to do a relaxing activity? Do something that is repetitive and doesn't require you to put your assets in potential harm's way (i.e. undocking).

And CONCORD does respond faster, just in higher sec systems.
lollerwaffle
Perkone
Caldari State
#93 - 2016-05-16 07:55:55 UTC
Aucturis Arbosa wrote:
lollerwaffle wrote:
Aucturis Arbosa wrote:

What I'm thinking about is taking my Typhoon out to where I got ganked....cloak and wait for those 2 a-holes to show back up in their frigates....


Because a BS with a cloak fitted will be able to uncloak, lock, and kill those frigates before the retriever gets popped? Right LolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLol



If I get at least one....that will make me feel a tad better.Lol

PROTIP: Check out BS lock times vs frigs. Check targeting delay on cloaks.

Rather than come here and whine, maybe learn some basic game mechanics? It'd help you in the long run.
Julien Brellier
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#94 - 2016-05-16 09:55:01 UTC
Fly a Procurer or Skiff tanked for kin/therm.

Troll CODE in local.

Profit.
Erebus Vain
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#95 - 2016-05-16 10:04:36 UTC
Aaron Honk wrote:
How to get a mining permit :

1/ Find someone who bought one

2/ Copy his bio into your bio

3/ ???

4/ Profit


You Sir, are many smarts :P
Gurista Nerfed
Doomheim
#96 - 2016-05-16 10:41:17 UTC
I will steal your cans in space if you have a "permit" .. Just an fyi.
Cranial Rectidus
ElevenBravo
#97 - 2016-05-16 11:02:07 UTC
The hi-sec gankers are the bottom of the barrel. These are the kids with BB guns bc they aren't good enough yet to use a real rifle. In other words, suicide killing a mining ship is their form of PvP bc they can't do any better against something that can kill them.

AFK mining however is just asking for it. If you are going to AFK mine, might as well have a cheap rig and dump those implants in dock before you go out.

Personally if I AFK mine, it's in a Venture that I can build a dime a dozen. I check on it every 10-20mins for an unload and if it is busted when I get back or I'm sitting in a station, I only lost stuff I can build for cheap and low mats. No sense losing 30-220mil every time you get ganked while AFK.

Try a Venture with a MWD, sensor boost and orbit an asteroid at 2400 m/s AFK. I bet Concord gets there before you pop.... unless the ganker is smart.
Pandora Carrollon
Provi Rapid Response
#98 - 2016-05-16 21:01:01 UTC
Cranial Rectidus wrote:
The hi-sec gankers are the bottom of the barrel. These are the kids with BB guns bc they aren't good enough yet to use a real rifle. In other words, suicide killing a mining ship is their form of PvP bc they can't do any better against something that can kill them.

AFK mining however is just asking for it. If you are going to AFK mine, might as well have a cheap rig and dump those implants in dock before you go out.

Personally if I AFK mine, it's in a Venture that I can build a dime a dozen. I check on it every 10-20mins for an unload and if it is busted when I get back or I'm sitting in a station, I only lost stuff I can build for cheap and low mats. No sense losing 30-220mil every time you get ganked while AFK.

Try a Venture with a MWD, sensor boost and orbit an asteroid at 2400 m/s AFK. I bet Concord gets there before you pop.... unless the ganker is smart.


I agree with you HS ganker description, at least in spirit.

Your logic though is a bit... skewed. If you can survive in a Venture mining until Concord arrives, a Procurer at 30 Mil will survive even better and you'd never lose it... ever. I love Venture's but they are not AFK HiSec miners. They are frigates that need a pilot present at all times. I've lost one in under 8 seconds, fully tanked out (to Sleepers mind you but the DPS is about the same as a competent ganker).

Now, what is true is that Ventures are only sardine bait for a killboard buff. They have nothing much worth taking down so suicide ganking them is mostly worthless to anyone looking for ISK. One full of gas mining efforts might be profitable but that's not really HiSec mining. So they aren't really targets, but then again, neither are Procurers, tough to kill and about 3 mill ISK TOPS in a full cargo hold in HiSec.

Covetors are easier to kill with larger cargo holds but still tough enough to take down in time without at least a nasty build Catalyst. Mackinaws are worse.

No, Procurer is best for AFK HiSec mining, cheaper than a skiff, easier to skill into, and pretty much gank proof, at least I've not seen anyone want to work so hard for so little...

8 Golden Rules of EVE • EVE is entirely PvP
Ka Plaa
Doomheim
#99 - 2016-05-16 21:25:48 UTC
Cranial Rectidus wrote:
The hi-sec gankers are the bottom of the barrel. These are the kids with BB guns bc they aren't good enough yet to use a real rifle. In other words, suicide killing a mining ship is their form of PvP bc they can't do any better against something that can kill them.


What about the many players that don't just hisec gank but do other things in EvE as well? Kinda causes problems with your generalization.

"The Crowd Is Untruth" - Kierkegaard
Brokk Witgenstein
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#100 - 2016-05-16 21:41:27 UTC
You'd have a point if it wasn't for the gankers crying all over the forums all the time. Not to mention ZKill doesn't show any of these "other activities" you claim.

Cranial's statement lacks subtlety but that doesn't make it false by definition.