Player Features and Ideas Discussion

*I take a sharp breath, exhale, and then focus on the topic at hand.*

I can't say how many times I've led a suggestion post with this, and had it completely ignored; "I love this game, but it has issues."

The SP gain system for people who play a lot, such as me. Now, I work a part-time job lifting boxes and studying politics in the time I'm not feeling a hernia coming on. After work, I have a good sum of free time which I use playing EVE, Dark Souls 3, The Witcher 3, games of the like that are somewhat fast-paced, but not enough to be confusing or detrimental to the experience.

Because of this, I usually don't heckle a game when it doesn't reward time spent aptly, but... something... about this specific instance kind of nags me.

Then I figured it out: the idea of a game as a medium for player interaction is almost entirely disregarded with the idea of the SP gain and how it currently works. All you need to do is to look up the entire concept of a 'game'. It's interactive. It's fun. It's there to challenge you and to make you think.

EVE does a good job at most of this, but the SP system does not, and I mean not, reward people like me enough for their time spent playing. This is especially an issue when a subscription fee is involved, because you want and almost *need* to make every single minute spent worth the money. EVE doesn't, and I can't find anyone with a justification for it either, which leads me to the conclusion that it's going to be changed sooner or later.

Please. I implore you, speed the SP gain up for people who're actively online.
This single sentence resolves almost every single criticism EVE suffers: veterans get objective bonuses that newbies don't, and newbies can not catch up without paying out the @*$ for injectors.

Yes, this'll leave the issue of people idling, but don't people just leave their computer online, anyway?
Isn't the bandwidth on *them*?
Aren't the hardware costs on *them*?
Won't it benefit everyone else who plays?
Yes to all three. The AFKing is a necessary evil for the greater good.

Think.
Less people complaining about numbers being required to make up for stats.
More people willing to devote active time to playing the game.
Less waiting.
More fun.

Just a hopeful suggestion, yeah?

Oh, cool. I get rewards for logging in before I go to work and just staying logged in while I'm out?



Please do not try to remove EVE's unique features.

The obvious solution is biomassing yourself, unlock all skillpoints at once.

You're welcome!

Grind isk, buy skill injector /thread

Sp is not the reward you should be focusing on. By being active online you can earn more isk. Why use the 'think of the children' bull **** and then propose a mechanic that older players can use just as well as new players?

Terrible idea. Terrible arguments. Terrible post.

good god man get that off the forums before rise sees it!!!

The op probably expects the vets to get nerfed sp just like with injectors. I dont mind the idea of the daily's however What the op seems to be asking for is a little to greedy.

As with all of the other crappy grind for SP ideas in times past -1 to your as well.


Here is precisely why the SP system in this game is the way it is and it needs to stay that way.
With job, family, and about two dozen other commitments because jobs / families some of us have very little free time and what we have is split between a multitude of other interests . Enter the beauty of the EvE skill system it keeps players like me on a reasonably even ground with players like you because both of us can train skills at about the same rate. So the very thing that you hate is the thing that many of us like the most about EvE.

Setting that aside CCP has caved in to the constant bitches about skills and given players like you two major ways to "catch up" with the vet like me and both of them benefit you and your grind style of game play preference.
The fist is the dailys, since you can log in every day while some of us cannot you get a boost based on your grind play style preference.

The second, ISK is, was and likely always will be the big equalizer for the grinders like you and when they introduced the skill injectors they gave you exactly what you are asking for a way to "catch up" to those of us that have been in the game a very long time. And yes the emphasis in my point is on "catching up" not getting ahead, even though I was and still am against the idea of skill injectors CCP at least had a few active brain cells an gave them diminishing returns on your investment as your characters SP increases.

So we get back to where I started. No only no but hell no to a change to a grind for SP change to this game.

I'm not sure how I feel about this idea. I might like it better if included a time-out for those who are not actively playing though they are logged in. And I say that being someone who does stay logged in for long periods while I'm simply docked.

At any rate, this reminds me of the s***-storm of criticism and ridicule I recieved from bitter-vets when I propsed that there be a way for older experienced players with tons of skill points to transfer some of their skill points to lower level players. Seems like that ridicule came from many of the same critics here.

Well that was a couple years ago, and like several of the ideas I (and others) have proposed, they found their way into the game.

So hey you never know. If CCP can find a way to make this work, and the general community is cool with it (don't take the regular naysayers here as the general EVE community), it could happen.

Probably because it's time invested.
I could work a second job for money I can't use.
I could work bench-press for hours on end.
I could take a few brisk walks.
I could take a few jogs.
...but I don't.
I play EvE.

That's my choice.

Just like having a family is. It was a choice.
...or maybe that's not exactly fair. You might be a true victim of circumstance, working two to three jobs to keep a ****** apartment, and hopefully, either way, the world changes for the better.

Either way, it's time invested into a game. You should be aptly rewarded for it. The entire concept of a game was player interaction, anyway, so I doubt I'm unreasonable if I say 'Hey, yeah, players should be able to manually influence their SP gain rate, even if it's something extremely minor like having every successful cycle of mining add 3 SP, or having every rat in the game be worth an added 1 SP', as at least that way you'd be able to control how quickly or slowly you progress, no matter your circumstances.

Something. Anything, would be better than the current system of static, quasi-unaltered progression.
P.S: Only 'quasi'-unaltered because of the skill injectors. Each one is worth close to $20, so they're not a viable continuous stream of player-altered progression. Instead, they're more like a vacation that allows you a very, very limited amount of choice in what you want to do, where you want to go, and how long you want to stay.