EVE General Discussion

Do you realize that you are contradictory ? Try to set the shaders at minimum, you will see that it turns off major graphics effects (dust and damage on ships, adverts in station don't work, etc.) but the jump animation or this bubble of light would be a no-go because it would hurt the game experience too much ?

There is one option for ship explosions, something you don't encounter all the time depending of your choices in the game. A stargate, we encounter it all the time. That doesn't make any sense.

This is something who can cost customers. I trashed Tropico 5 because there is no options to remove the blur effect applied on the game area after you zoomed out just a bit (and really just a bit). Sorry but I don't have "eyes blur adaptation off" option in my head and I was feeling bad after only 30 minutes of gaming (all hail free week-ends) and the devs don't care... If only Eve wasn't Eve, I would have left.

We are not all fully-able players nor we don't have the same computers, this is why there are options for that. It is impossible to give the same game experience to everyone but it seems that CCP don't care anymore and want to try anyway (RGB sliders, Load Station Environment, etc.). I hope they will come back to their senses one day...

The brightness is not a way to correct the problem, it will just attenuate it a bit at the cost of more UI unpracticalness. Cover the center of the screen as I do now remains the most efficient method.

It still drives me nuts.

CCP Darwin: Read and understood. Now, could you please explain to us why players getting motion sickness to the point that they cannot play the game is NOT a rock-solid gameplay justification?

If we received a substantial amount of feedback about motion sickness in relation to the jump animation, that would certainly affect our priority for taking another look at it. (And yes, I have taken note that a couple of people in this thread have commented on motion sickness difficulties with the animation.)

That said, there are a lot of factors involved in moving images inducing motion sickness or not, many of them involving viewing conditions. Sitting farther from the monitor or changing room lighting may help, and I recommend giving those a try to see if they improve things for you.

97 pages of feedback here. That's reasonably substantial. We could do without the people who aren't affected hopping about in outrage because they think we're whinging. I do try to give constructive feedback without lapsing into tantruming, but it's a bit difficult to keep your cool when you have random forumites screeching WELL IT DOESN'T BOTHER ME AND WHY ARE YOU COMPLAINING AND OMG IF THEY CAVE ON THIS THAT'S IT THE END IS NIGH. Erm, ye calm down and wind your necks in.

But yes, I have adjusted settings and monitor/lighting and it does tone down the effect. If you suffer from this really badly, the only option is to glance away when the effect hits. Or turn them all off, which is a shame. It's not a great idea on a combat alt to do this, but I certainly have. This isn't a great pitch to new players who remark on the problem either.

Oddly when I watched the Valk vids was expecting vom inducing nausea - which was there for a minute or so (as when you get on a boat and adjust) but passed surprisingly quickly. Problem with jumping is it's a sporadic activity you don't get time to get your 'sea legs' adjusted to if that makes sense. So it's just as annoying the 50th time as the first.

There's a correlation between motion sickness/migraine btw - and I'm a bit surprised the idea that some ingame effects might cause issues for people with these symptoms has never popped up? But then again, the treatment of colour blind players borders on shameful. I think you need to filter the noise out here from unaffected players and treat these things with reasonable consideration - or slap a health warning on the launcher.

People fail to understand that a dozen or even a hundred people having an issue isn't something to be much of a concern with when there's thousands of people that are fine.

Personally, i always advocate 'more options', my entire RL business revolves around 'more options' for my customers.

But that's just me.

The problem is how define what is a "rock-solid gameplay justification" as it is difficult to make a fully-able person understand the troubles of a "deficient" one. It is impossible too to ask for every suffering players to post here and many players (fully-able or not) are convinced that you don't care of their feedback anyway.

Do CCP have a way to retrieve data about annoyances, visual or other types, of the game ? Surveys or anything ?

I can understand that you doubt players on the forums, as it is a vocal minority and sometimes there can be wrong statements from them. For my case, I did participate to the "remove the new jump animation" call but later I have created a post where I was wondering if it would be more the bubble of light at the middle of any stargate combined to my 27" monitor at this time (bigger than the previous one) who was the real problem. If the monitor is a big one, some effects can become more annoying that previously evaluated.

But still, few months after you added the jump gate animation, logged users graph on eve-offline began to decline and it lasted until recently. Of course, this animation is not the main reason and later you added some gameplay changes who helped too for this decline (medical clone cost, etc.), but it is probably one of many. Frequent change of point of view, this damned bubble of light... They probably have an impact.

About group functionality, if it can help you to maintain the code, why not but I hope that you won't remove some of the remaining features in the process. "Sun is occluded by ships" was a way to avoid the light blinking annoyance, Load Station Environment was a way to reduce overheating GPU risk and consumption, RGB sliders was great to adapt the UI to our color deficiencies and indirectly to adjust his brightness or simply to our tastes (actual themes only offer ONE choice : dark black. If only there was more choices...), etc. Yes, it is difficult to maintain a game this size, but do you really have the tools to evaluate the consequences of an addition or deletion of a feature on the players, and so the "cost in player numbers" ?

As the time passes, EVE is harder to play, but not because of his gameplay. To be honest, I miss EVE as it was in 2011/12. Just for the UI, it was better than today (fully customizable colors, etc.)

just close your eyes for a few seconds after you hit jump. Problem solved.

I have experienced this too. Never happened prior to the change. Sitting back and/or adjusting lighting doesn't help.

If this is CCP's official recommendation, I recommend not playing Eve.

To what change are you referring? You mean the addition of the "new" jump animation as of the Odyssey 1.0 release on June 4th, 2013? Or some other change?