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And still use them like pre-citadel also.

Carriers are for mixed fleets. Their role is to support the ships around them. Just look at their bonuses. I don't understand why people think its so hard. I'd undock my carrier every day if I had a squad of 10 people to fly it with. I literally don't even care about align times or warp speed.

Apparently I need to relink it.

Stop shitfitting. Stop dying.

Also abandoning light fighters is a sure way to lose whatever is left of the squadron quite quickly - No bonuses from the carrier, just sitting in space = Dead fighters..... But hey, its not my isk being thrown away - Abandon all you like, I just hope I'm there to collect the KM's

... it was a t2 tank iirc

the largest reducing factor was sig and speed not the tank itself

Or bring a couple with you.

Or learn how to fit at all and adapt to a changing meta.


Or you could continue to bawl on the forums. Up to you.

or just two griffins and engage 20km away..

When the hell did bringing two or three logi become "blobbing"?

Or just don't engage capitals if you're not prepared to step up your game?

I mean, I realise that's an unreasonable burden what with their disgusting, interceptor like mobility and all .

But oh...oh noes...the camps. FC what is a scout?




The problem here isn't carriers the problem here is people like you wanting to engage a capital solo and being mad when it doesn't end well for you.

You need to set the hyperbole aside. " warp in 1 ship and press a button to kill an entire roaming gang" is obviously impossible and does nothing to address your issues.

Maybe you need to get to know the hotdroppers in your area better? If people are dropping supers on your face it is rarely on a whim.



A few logi, a few DPS ships. It's not exactly rocket science.


There's no excuse for a carrier or super or even a group of them to wipe your gang. Why are you not watching for cynos going up and immediately egressing? If every last one of you is hard tackled you've already failed. Why are you not watching dscan? They are like freighters in warp. They're not "suddenly on grid, didn't have time to see that coming" fast.



The thing is, I and others have tested proper fits and they are - for the most part - not possible to alpha with a carrier. I've not seen a decent example of something being popped outrageously yet and I've extensively tested their power over and over on a variety of fits on sisi to find a use for carriers. If you have multiple capitals on grid, well, you're going to have a bad time.

I'll tell you right now what is punished hard are things relying on kiting and active tanks - those are absolutely hit very hard by carriers in the current meta but that's ok because there are still counters available. A lot of solo people are buttmad about this, because their one "go to" meta doesn't work for everything any more.

Finally carriers set up to hit small things well and hard are hilariously soft targets for even a small HAC gang, never mind someone planting another capital on field or a blops drop. They make their fitting trades for this. My guardian test had [n]ten[/b] slots dedicated to damage and application to get those numbers and I still wouldn't call them noteworthy. At some point when you're fitting ten freakin' mods to a ship to do ONE thing, it's got some huge weaknesses elsewhere.


I can't link them here but there are a lot of examples easily found on zkill of carriers dying to small gangs.

>Well why bother with exact numbers when you ignore them every other time I've posted them in response.

Where? What sample fits are being alphad? Carrier and target please.


You keep making audacious claims with absolutely zero evidence or samples posted but we're to simply take you at your word?


Yeah, I used a guardian because that was the topic at hand at that time. If you want to demonstrate that something isn't working as intended, you know where sisi it. It's easy to test and I'm not here to wipe your arse for you.

Surely it's not so hard to find a good example of a tanky thing that was one shot that shouldn't have been?


>You say people are mad about their one go to meta being dead, but you're defending your new one go to meta, so why shouldn't we?

I'm not defending it, I'm saying you're wrong. There is a difference.



And seriously, if you want to be a child and keep killboard stalking, at least have the good grace to do it with a character who has actually done the things you claim to have. Then we can easily see these feats you, or was it your alt, claim to have done and assess validly. But maybe you're not doing that, because that character doesn't exist. Lord knows your ignorance of basic mechanics tells me that is the most likely conclusion.

I'm not assuming anything. I'm just waiting to not be the only one to present actual evidence.