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We need a confirmation when we are trying to sell bellow market price

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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#21 - 2016-05-13 13:02:10 UTC
Aaron Honk wrote:
Yochi Miyatsuda wrote:


It's not a question of making Eve "too easy," it's about feature-creep.


This feature already exist ingame it's nothing new, not a feature creep. It also does not go beyond the basic function of the product . Also I am troubled how you navigate from a warning interface to a buy below region average restriction ? You seem to compare a simple warning with something that would indeed affect gameplay. Adding a warning does not dictate how anyone is playing and it would not make eve less complex.

If I petition CCP I'm pretty sure they would tell me to post here. On top of that, having a ticket resolved under 2 week is impossible so it is just unnecessary to make ticket for this.

You still have not answered my question, how a simple feature such as a warning would affect your gameplay in a negative way ?



OK, enough of this. How much did you lose? (I'm trying to put an isk value on 'CCP needs to fix this')
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
Brave Collective
#22 - 2016-05-13 13:04:57 UTC
Aaron Honk wrote:
Yochi Miyatsuda wrote:


It's not a question of making Eve "too easy," it's about feature-creep.


This feature already exist ingame it's nothing new, not a feature creep. It also does not go beyond the basic function of the product . Also I am troubled how you navigate from a warning interface to a buy below region average restriction ? You seem to compare a simple warning with something that would indeed affect gameplay. Adding a warning does not dictate how anyone is playing and it would not make eve less complex.

If I petition CCP I'm pretty sure they would tell me to post here. On top of that, having a ticket resolved under 2 week is impossible so it is just unnecessary to make ticket for this.

You still have not answered my question, how a simple feature such as a warning would affect your gameplay in a negative way ?


It is obvious, think of the noobs and children. Scammers and market bots need a little love. They always feel so left out as if they didn't belong.

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Aaron Honk
Distributed Denial of Service
#23 - 2016-05-13 13:08:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Aaron Honk
Serendipity Lost wrote:



OK, enough of this. How much did you lose? (I'm trying to put an isk value on 'CCP needs to fix this')


It doesn't matter how much I lost it was not that much anyway

elitatwo wrote:


It is obvious, think of the noobs and children. Scammers and market bots need a little love. They always feel so left out as if they didn't belong.


I did not mention noobs, or market bots or scammer ? if anything... market bots would not make mistakes like that, and scammers what do they have to do with all of this ?
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#24 - 2016-05-13 13:26:23 UTC
Isn't there a display of the % of market price you are selling at in the window with red/green color depending if you are under/over?
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#25 - 2016-05-13 14:07:26 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Isn't there a display of the % of market price you are selling at in the window with red/green color depending if you are under/over?



Yes, but it doesn't flash, beep or throw up a pop up window like it should.
Iain Cariaba
#26 - 2016-05-13 14:07:43 UTC
Aaron Honk wrote:
Yochi Miyatsuda wrote:


It's not a question of making Eve "too easy," it's about feature-creep.


This feature already exist ingame it's nothing new, not a feature creep. It also does not go beyond the basic function of the product .

You realize you just gave the very definition of feature creep, right?
Iain Cariaba
#27 - 2016-05-13 14:08:54 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Isn't there a display of the % of market price you are selling at in the window with red/green color depending if you are under/over?

There's also the fact that the largest single thing on the sell order screen is the, comparatively, giant text telling you the grand total for the transaction.
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#28 - 2016-05-13 14:19:56 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Isn't there a display of the % of market price you are selling at in the window with red/green color depending if you are under/over?

There's also the fact that the largest single thing on the sell order screen is the, comparatively, giant text telling you the grand total for the transaction.



The game really needs the following:

"DANGER..... DANGER Will Robinson......"

Let me try this again


"DANGER..... DANGER Aaron Honk You're missing a zero"

This should play over and over again and block out the complete transaction button until the mistake is corrected.
Aaron Honk
Distributed Denial of Service
#29 - 2016-05-13 14:39:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Aaron Honk
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Aaron Honk wrote:
Yochi Miyatsuda wrote:


It's not a question of making Eve "too easy," it's about feature-creep.


This feature already exist ingame it's nothing new, not a feature creep. It also does not go beyond the basic function of the product .

You realize you just gave the very definition of feature creep, right?


That definition does not match the feature I propose. I checked before posting

Feature creep, creeping featurism or featuritis is the ongoing expansion or addition of new features in a product, such as in computer software. Extra features go beyond the basic function of the product and so can result in software bloat and over-complication rather than simple design.

Edit : apparently the rest of you already started doing personal attacks, I will ignore all of those because it's beyond the point

Talking about the UI, it could be improved as well. I have never made a mistake using the Buy Order setup. https://i.imgur.com/1QaWGvX.png


Serendipity Lost wrote:

This should play over and over again and block out the complete transaction button until the mistake is corrected.


This is pretty much exactly what happen when you try to setup a buy order over market price. The window popup telling that you are trying to buy above average, and you can't click anything except for Yes or No https://i.imgur.com/iXbzXKa.png
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#30 - 2016-05-13 21:30:25 UTC
So now you want to get rid of a few decent ways to make quick isk scamming too?

No. I've never misread a price in four years. Just take the extra half a second to read.
Iain Cariaba
#31 - 2016-05-13 23:55:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Iain Cariaba

Yeah, that needs to be removed from the game.

I am perfectly capable of reading the market window and determining what price I need to buy something at. Stop warning me because someone drops super cheap sell orders in lowsec systems half a dozen jumps away in order to lure the less aware out of highsec to be shot at, or sets stupidly low buy orders to manipulate the market average. This is, quite literally, the only time I ever see that particular warning, because I double check my numbers before clicking buy or sell.


Look at that, you already know where to find the solution to your problem. Just because it's not big as well as shiny on the sell tab doesn't mean it isn't there.

As far as the color of the total, that has nothing at all to do with market average. That is solely determined based on its impact on your wallet. Green is adding to your wallet, red is removing from your wallet.
Aaron Honk
Distributed Denial of Service
#32 - 2016-05-14 01:13:30 UTC
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
So now you want to get rid of a few decent ways to make quick isk scamming too?

No. I've never misread a price in four years. Just take the extra half a second to read.


Getting rid of what ? I didn't propose we get rid of anything. I said the regional average indicator could be bigger and eventually show a different color if you try to sell on the cheap.

Iain Cariaba wrote:

Yeah, that needs to be removed from the game.


I propose you make your own idea thread and we can discuss it. Because you are able to read thing doesn't mean everyone can. With that argument we might as well never implement a colorblind mode because most can see well enough ?

My question again, what is the real reason why you don't want to see this implemented ?
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#33 - 2016-05-14 02:00:44 UTC
Aaron Honk wrote:
Getting rid of what ? I didn't propose we get rid of anything. I said the regional average indicator could be bigger and eventually show a different color if you try to sell on the cheap.


My question still stands.

I honestly wonder what you're doing if you are misreading so many orders to ask for this. Pay attention!
Iain Cariaba
#34 - 2016-05-14 02:50:48 UTC
Aaron Honk wrote:
My question again, what is the real reason why you don't want to see this implemented ?

Because if you have half a brain and/or the ability to learn from your mistakes, then you don't need this. If you lack the previously stated requirements, you won't be playing this game long enough for this idea to matter. Either way....
Aaron Honk
Distributed Denial of Service
#35 - 2016-05-14 03:25:09 UTC
Sonya Corvinus wrote:

My question still stands.

I honestly wonder what you're doing if you are misreading so many orders to ask for this. Pay attention!


I don't missread "so many orders" what are you talking about ? It's not like I do a mistake every week? I can't even remember last time i did that


Iain Cariaba wrote:
Aaron Honk wrote:
My question again, what is the real reason why you don't want to see this implemented ?

Because if you have half a brain and/or the ability to learn from your mistakes, then you don't need this. If you lack the previously stated requirements, you won't be playing this game long enough for this idea to matter. Either way....


Doesn't answer my question. You keep bringing brain issues like a broken record. If you have a brain you don't need a warning when you jump into lowsec, if you have a brain you don't need a warning when you click reset quickbar... I'm talking about improving EVE and you literally want to make it worst.

I play since 2005 I'm not sure if that's long enough for you tho
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#36 - 2016-05-14 04:14:21 UTC
Aaron Honk wrote:
I don't missread "so many orders" what are you talking about ? It's not like I do a mistake every week? I can't even remember last time i did that


You sure? You're the one who started this thread simply because you couldn't read market orders. Remember that?

Why, again, is it so hard for you to simply re-read what you type?
Aaron Honk
Distributed Denial of Service
#37 - 2016-05-14 04:45:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Aaron Honk
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
Aaron Honk wrote:
I don't missread "so many orders" what are you talking about ? It's not like I do a mistake every week? I can't even remember last time i did that


You sure? You're the one who started this thread simply because you couldn't read market orders. Remember that?

Why, again, is it so hard for you to simply re-read what you type?


I reread every order I make. I even have the warning after each order pop up and I have to click yes or no to confirm the order. Managing as much orders as I do is not simple and sometimes some slip through the crack.

I even propose alternatives to my original proposition, we could for example add a line that state the price per unit you are selling, here is a picture of that idea https://i.imgur.com/NFmcSag.png
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#38 - 2016-05-14 05:09:15 UTC
Aaron Honk wrote:
I reread every order I make. I even have the warning after each order pop up and I have to click yes or no to confirm the order. Managing as much orders as I do is not simple and sometimes some slip through the crack.

I even propose alternatives to my original proposition, we could for example add a line that state the price per unit you are selling, here is a picture of that idea https://i.imgur.com/NFmcSag.png


Come on man.

I've played this game for four years and literally never done a market order incorrectly. Stop complaining because you're not capable of taking two seconds to read an order you're buying or placing. You do know how to read, yeah?
Aaron Honk
Distributed Denial of Service
#39 - 2016-05-14 05:35:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Aaron Honk
Sonya Corvinus wrote:

Come on man.

I've played this game for four years and literally never done a market order incorrectly. Stop complaining because you're not capable of taking two seconds to read an order you're buying or placing. You do know how to read, yeah?


Is that all you can do personal attacks ? Obviously I can read, you never made a mistake well that's good for you. The fact you never made a mistake doesn't mean the UI could and sould not be improved. I am not the only one in the case I describe, if I was maybe I would be the only one making this thread ?

I'm saying the system could be better. All you want is make it worst, and there is no reason for it. I already proposed 3 ideas to improve things and you have proposed 0.
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#40 - 2016-05-14 05:43:23 UTC
Aaron Honk wrote:
Is that all you can do personal attacks ? Obviously I can read, you never made a mistake well that's good for you. The fact you never made a mistake doesn't mean the UI could and sould not be improved. I am not the only one in the case I describe, if I was maybe I would be the only one making this thread ?

I'm saying the system could be better. All you want is make it worst, and there is no reason for it. I already proposed 3 ideas to improve things and you have proposed 0.


Sorry, what personal attacks? Your entire idea is centered around people who don't read when they buy things, and it limits emergent gameplay.

Again, come on main. Stop trolling.
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