Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Right now, there is a big divide between PvE ships and PvP ships. A large part of this is due to capacitor. For raw performance, a cap booster blows everything else out of the water. I recently did a test, and with an MWD Maller, you will have better cap performance if you put a single medium cap booster on it, than if you put SIX other cap mods on it (not including a cap battery). However, cap boosters are bad for sustained performance due to the fact that cap boosters take large amount of cargohold space, and they run out quickly in long missions/sites. As a result, cap boosters tend to be used for PvP, where ships absolutely must have some utility, and PvE fits tend to fill every single spare slot with cap modules after an afterburner, tank and DPS.

Rather than the somewhat confusing assortment of terrible options for cap right now, maybe there could be a lowslot module that adds capacitor amount and decreases the recharge time. It could come in small, medium and large options for different ship sizes (with a larger cap bonus for larger options). The performance goal would be somewhere around 1/3-1/2 of a cap booster running with the largest boosters possible, and it would cost about the same as a cap booster in terms of PG and CPU use. This would make it more expensive in terms of fitting than a cap booster, but better for sustained performance. This would also give ships with a large amount of low slots and few mids, like the Maller, a realistic cap option that still gives them some utility. If this still doesn't feel balanced, you could make these active modules and make them take some fuel (though it should be significantly smaller than a cap booster).

Right now, in PvP if you need a lot of cap, it's cap booster or bust, I'd love to see some more options.

Capacitor Power Relays are super overpowered. Midslot needs something better to compete.

I'm not just playing Devil's Advocate here, I actually feel the Capacitor Power Relay needs a nerf when used on ships that aren't fit with a shield booster.

And I mean there are just no good high slot tracking mods ccp get on that

Cap stability is overrated.
Missions take too long to fly with cap booster? Well, then booster is not worth it.
Can fitting a cap booster make the mission go fast enough? Hell yeah fit it there.

I find myself leaning towards ridiculously overranged polarized guns on MJD BSs kind of meta.
Who needs a maller or sustainable cap or tank?

The downside is double the fitting requirements and 2 sacrificed lowslots to get something comparable to a single cap booster. I would consider those rather substantial.

Because cap batteries are a mid slot and I'm arguing for better lowslots so that ships without a lot of mids have an option to have an active tank and some utility (probably by sacrificing tank and/or DPS).

Also, please don't patronize, it's very rude.

Just use a different ship.

Some are meant to be hard to keep cap stable.

Dear OP you probably pick up the wrong forums since there Ships and Mods thread where you could discuss the weak sides of your ship and fit. And also Mission and Complexes thread where you you could discuss mission specific ships and fit for better performance.

And as it was mentioned - cap stability on pve is not am issue.

OP I see the problem here and it is a lack of understanding how and why PvE fits are different than PvP fits and capacitor has very little to do with it. The following are generalized statements and there are exceptions to both of them, remember that when you read them.

PvE will have lower incoming DPS but over a significantly longer period of time, this indicates the use of a passive/active tank that regenerates your armor/shields, it also means that EHP is virtually irrelevant and your tank DPS becomes the most important factor.
PvP on the other hand will have higher incoming DPS but the time is significantly shorter. This indicates the use of a high EPH(buffer) tank simply because the active/passive recharge does not have enough time to become a significant factor in the outcome of the battle.
Again the caution both of these statements are very general in nature and I understand that there are exceptions to both.

Like most of the others no more modules are needed to handle capacitor issues. We have enough and they fit in the slots they do because of the huge jig saw puzzle called game balance. If capacitor is an issue for you your fit and / or the ships you fly as well as your characters skills may be the real problem. Posting your fit as well as what you use it for would be helpful.


I can tell that you have a very stable and very solid internet connection or you would have a significantly different viewpoint on cap stability. Others in the game like me who suffer from routine internet drop outs with the resultant disconnects often are forced to build for cap stability simply to prevent losing ships on a constant basis due to DC issues.

Really ... Vets actually care about cap stability?

I thought it was only newbros seeing the fitting screen and going "Ohhh its green, im winning right?"