EVE General Discussion

So,
after a long winded rant about how destructive wardecs are in EVE and many of you telling me how wrong I was, I set out to launch a solo corp to wardec a number of corps for kills and learn the other side of the equation.

Result?

A. Since the buddy list changes, finding war targets is virtually impossible. Even with 5 or more large corps decced, I would rarely see a target anywhere with the exception of an occasional miner.

B. I still think there should be a limit on the number of wardecs, however, I understand that due to the buddy list change, if you ever want to score a kill, you have to go big or dont bother. Its just a waste of 50 to 200m ISK for the dec.

C. I'm too nice for solo wardeccing. I couldn't help but feel guilty about what I was doing. Maybe I'm just too carebear. I wouldn't have felt so bad had I been targeting pirate corps, but those guys travel in packs everywhere, gatecamps etc and I wouldn't stand a chance solo.

D. Overall, Wardecs are fine. Having been on the other side of them now I understand they just mean, "be careful, but don't turtle up and stop playing for a week". There are plenty of precautions you can take in defense of a wardec and its likely you will lose a ship or two but the value of those ships depend on how eager you are to lose money. If you want to continue mining, great, do so in a 26m miner instead of a 230m barge. Slows you down but its better than mining for an hour to lose the ore and a 230m ship while fueling a continued wardec.

I have learned a lot by my experience in solo wardeccing and though I dont feel its for me, I realize its not the personal, fear inducing attack on ones corp I used to.

To everyone who gave me advice before and told me a lot of this already, I apologize for my ignorance. I have to learn things for myself and am in fact always learning.

Fly safe.

While I agree with the removal of the watch list, I also understand the impact on merc corps that actuallu hunted, I hope that CCP as a matter of urgency brings forward the implementation of the intel structure.

This structure should give watch list capabilities at the Constellation level for the base model and go up to a region level for the top model. This gives a point of vulnerability to that intel therefore making it so it is not free.

The limit on war decs is something which is advisable, however on the other side of the coin we have people just dropping corp to avoid, war deccers suggest that this should not be allowed but at the end of the day how many hisec players will not log in and that is hardly good for Eve. The new indy structures should help, but you want a base model that offers the same functionality as the current POS in that it can be pulled down fast like a POS now, but above that you want structures that give better yield etc. that cannot. You want to have these in space and being defended.

We can all run around calling each other names and its fun on the forums for many, but the reality is that it is not great for either side.

I have never really had a war dec from anything other than the high sec blanket war dec alliances and that is kinda annoying...., but on the other side of the coin I have never felt annoyed enough with anyone to bother to declare war, such is life...

EDIT: I had to run off to do something so I could not finish this post properly, but all credit to you for trying this and posting your views, that takes courage and application, its what these forums need is players like you who do who see both sides of the issue.

I really hope that the new structures can change things around in terms of benefit and reasons to fight, but we need to get the less conflict orientated players at least giving it a go, the force multiplication of structures may help and a loose network of allied corps and players dog-piling on may also work. Some key people need to stand up and get it moving, and you look like a good bet.

Good man yourself,

Im legitimatly impressed you
a)took the time to try this and
d) came back here,hat in hand and apolagised.

+1 forum candy to you.

I think the most common complaint is that people don't fight wars when decced because they do not have to, but this is a reflection of the player who declared war: the deccer has little if anything to lose, and why fight someone who has nothing to lose? (in a game, no less). Do we play "capture the flag" against an opponent who has no flag to capture? (yet your own flag is the size of a football field). If there are people who want war and want others to engage in war, then both sides need investment to protect and defend.

Were it up to me™ ....

Corporations would be divided into two types: An LLC and Corporations as we know it (Inc.)
An LLC is basically just a common channel and that's it. No hangar, no wallet, no roles, nothing but a channel and a logo. But an LLC can join an alliance and have access to the alliance channel if they want.
An LLC cannot anchor structures in space nor have a headquarters.

Now, for "skin in the game"...

Only corporations can declare war and have war declared on them. LLCs in an alliance declared war on would be part of the war. Otherwise LLCs are immune to war.
Only corporations can have infrastructure, like a Citadel or POS (as long as there are POSes).
But in order to be a corporation, you have to have infrastructure in space and if you form a corp and don't build infrastructure within a certain window, it's downgraded to an LLC.

(hence, to declare war, you have to be a corporation, and have infrastructure - "skin in the game")

If a corporation that had infrastructure and lost it, for example, in a war, or takes it down, it's downgraded to an LLC if they are unable to reestablish infrastructure within a given window. Anything in the corp wallet and/or hangars goes into "escrow" and impound and the LLC must upgrade back to a corporation to get their stuff back.

Hopefully the Citadels get to even more "meaning and worth" to make them even bigger prizes.

I can hear it now: "It's cruel to make highsec deccers require a citadel just to have wardecs!" But is it not cruel to just be able to declare war left and right and hub hump with little to lose? That 4 person carebear corp is not going to take down a citadel anyway - unless they get help. Besides, the deccers can Freeport the citadel and make ISK on the side via services.

Anyway that's my useless input to this matter that is not going to change any time soon. Admittedly we could get surprised again, like the ham-handed quick change to watch lists that damaged intel for both highsec mercs and AG.

If everybody wants "content", things are going to change. At one time there was an alliance though to have "won Eve" and it was all over, now they are getting their sh!t pushed in all over New Eden. So who knows what can happen.

Good job Lucas I knew you would come up with some way to troll that comment and derail the thread.

The ignore function fixes so many issues with this place it's not even funny (I knew he and others who hate war decs would reply to the op eventually). I just hope people remember to not quote the ones who do that so those of us who have used it don't end up seeing the posts anyways. I'd hope one day CCP would expand the ignore function to include quotes.

Op came here and raged in a beligerant misinformed fashion and was told off (at length).

Op went ingame as per instructed to inform himself of the reality.

Op came back under the bridge where he had been roundly thrashed and gave his now informed opinion on the matter and apolagised.

Guys , we have had this tired ass discussion for months on end in numerous threads.
just pat tje guy on the back and be on yer way, hes earned it.

LOL. Finding people in EVE isn't easy. If you aren't friends, and you're just trying to find somebody for the hell of it, it's the proverbial needle in a haystack. SO...our brave warriors with their RISK/REWARD mentality want a game mechanic that shows them where everybody they want to kill happens to be. HOW....EASY.

So...normal game mechanics...who cares? I'm not trying to find anyone.
War Dec? Tell me where everybody is. Looking is too HARD.

I get it.

Lucas could start an argument in an empty room.

Having an alt in the target corp is the new watchlist.
Locator agents still work don't they?