EVE General Discussion

Next patch all the numbers will be replaced by letters to stop confusing people with an IQ slightly above room temperature.

They could of kept the rad data while also making them more comparable by just removing the weapon size modifier from the whole thing. Just make all the weapon "small" in their resolution and adjust the tracking value for this new ratio on medium, large and XL weapons. Then you get to have a more easily comparable data and a data that can be used on the fly without mentally adjusting for size discrepancies.

"GUYS Everyone hit Ctrl Space, the enemy FC needs to grab his calculator! Toxic I'm looking at you! STOP YOUR SHIP! Let him get his calculator! Guys cycle your guns, give him a minute God!"

Hmm, let's see what the tracking number is on my guns... 'T'. Ok, let's check this other gun. '&' Ooooooh I get it. I'll go with the 'T' guns.

No, they're not rad/s if you have to multiply by something that approximates the sig radius of the target and it includes the sig resolution of the gun.
That is the problem - I can't directly compare to the useful stat on the overview. I can fly such that I keep the rad/s within the right range. I cannot adjust for sig radius while flying. I cannot swap guns in the midst of combat. I can only manually pilot my ship.
See, that's where you're seeing the number from the station fitting window and I'm trying to use the number in space while flying - Two different perspectives. I don't care if a different gun was better while flying. I have to use the guns I have on the ship.

Now you're kinda seeing the pointlessness of it. I don't want to know anything about sig radius/resolution comparissons in my tracking column though. I know it plays into whether or not I can hit well - but it does not help me keep my orbit within the tracking capabilities of the gun.

I don't think the new rating is any more or less clear than before. It's incomplete unless there is a visual cue in the HUD showing the projected damage percentage.

Yeah, let's simplify the process of selecting the ******* guns, because you're NOT in station completely safe from any sort of damage, and you DON'T have all the ******* time in the world to pull out a calculator and compare the ******* raw tracking and sig resolution stats, while you're docked in the ******* station. Let's simplify it.

Who cares that when you get out there and the other guy gets under your guns and you can't hit him, when you have to ******* figure out WTF to do to escape this ******* situation and save your ****** expensive ship, you can no longer compare the gun's stat with something in the overview that would easily tell you what range or how much webification or whatever you need to apply to save your ass. That process needs to be more complicated, because when you're at 25% structure going to 0, that's when you need to do the ******* math.

Gun sig resolution is static, not variable.
The enemy's ship sig radius is static, not variable.
Therefore, this comparison can be done in station when you select your guns.

Gun tracking is static, not variable.
Enemy's angular velocity is variable.
Therefore, obscuring the gun tracking behind some stupid math formula prevents us from getting critical live feedback during combat. Whoever made this change at CCP is A ******* IDIOT. Tell him to come to the forums so I can call him that to his face. Or her. ****!

While I disagree with the score system being better, you but the nail on the head. It should be a choice. For on the fly combat calculations, I need either the Rad/s readout, or a useful way to convert WAS to accuracy on current target. As it stands now, I have to slowly adjust my orbit til I'm not missing, instead of just setting my orbit to my guns tracking speed. On most things it's not a big deal, but if I'm trying to brawl down a rlml caracal, I have no room to just hunt and peck my orbital state. Too many misses, and the other guy has an advantage. So to me this whole score thing is a direct nerf to turret boats. I can sort it out on an out of game fitting tool, but it's still not cool.

Gun sig resolution is static, yes.
Target ship's sig radius changes depending on MWD activation, T3D mode, links, and target painters.
Therefore, you cannot make that comparison in station.

Gun tracking changes based on ship skills and modules like tracking enhancers/computers, and remote tracking enhancers/disruptors.
Target's angular velocity does change, yes.

All the above means that knowing your small blaster of sig 40 m tracks at 0.32 rad/s and your heavy blaster of sig 125 m tracks at 0.12 rad/s doesn't tell you much about the relative performance of the guns and their ability to hit various targets, unless you pull out the calculator and start cranking through 0.5 ^ ( (target angular velocity * gun signature resolution / target signature radius / gun tracking) ^ 2 ) And since you don't know your targets actual sig radius and can only estimate it, you can only estimate your chance to hit. (Fortunately, while your gun tracking can change dynamically, you can get-info on them to find their actual point in time tracking.)

And just like you know what 67F feels like because you've experienced it despite it being an arbitrary scale with an arbitrary 0-point and somebody who's never heard of it would curse you for making them pull out a calculator to figure out how hot something is when C is perfectly useable and meaningful, you would get used to what various Weapon Accuracy Scores mean.

Currently, you know how a light blaster with 0.35 rad/s tracking performs against a frig and you know how a heavy blaster with 0.35 rad/s tracking performs against a frig, and you know they perform differently. This is because you've used this system a lot and have gotten used to it, just like F. With the Accuracy Sore, you'll eventually know how well a 300 WAS performs against a frig, and you won't have to worry about whether you're shooting with a small, medium or large gun because a 300 WAS gun is just as accurate as any other 300 WAS gun no matter their sizes. You'll get to know what a 20 vs 80 WAS gun can do, and what a 1.2 vs 0.01 WAS gun can do, as well. (Assuming you spend any time with those guns.)

Regardless, I'll reiterate my request to CCP that if they stick with the WAS stat, they add the Ship Evasion Score stat as an available overview column.

No. This is stupid. In PVP, especially in non-F1monkey PVP, timing your guns to fire when there is low angular velocity is important, especially when firing slow ROF, high dmg guns like arties (or even beams/rails).

It's not about 'getting used' to it. While rad/s isn't the only input in tracking, it's still something that is very useful and important in PVP. I don't want to have to do mental calculations before knowing whether my guns have a chance of hitting based on the target's angular velocity alone.