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We have to pay through Nexon from next April. Question from a "Japan based player"

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#181 - 2012-01-13 09:30:26 UTC
Tommy Laughingface wrote:
Cheekything wrote:
I can fully understand that the Japanese community may not want to put their money in the trust of a company with a bad reputation.

It does seem really odd that CCP are using NEXON rather than someone we all know and love aka Paypal.

I do feel sorry for anyone who has to use it for their accounts as well it's a bit unfair to force someone to use them.


Thank you for your sympathy.
Unfortunately, Paypal is not known "at all" in Japan.
And that means majority of Japanese would not trust Paypal, because they don't know it.
Japan is a peculiar nation...


Guys with all the due respect... I live in Italy, the most ignorant country in the universe (no English teached at my time at all) and still we learned some bad English and about Paypal.

World is changing, you are a great Country, you should step up and take the situation in your hands.

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Endeavour Starfleet
#182 - 2012-01-14 06:56:21 UTC
I have to agree. I don't know if Japan has something like paypal but I would encourage players over there to atleast do their research on it.

Now CCP are you going to come in here to discuss this? Especially this bit about allowing Maple Story players to take actions in that game (Or bot considering how bad it apparently is) to pay for EVE time?
Myxx
The Scope
#183 - 2012-01-14 07:26:04 UTC
I'd be pissed if CCP stonewalls you all and forces Nexon, because its another potentially major breach of trust.
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
#184 - 2012-01-14 07:32:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Hirana Yoshida
You are missing the point: Yes they can use ShatteredCrystal, PayPal or any number of solutions just as we can, provided they speak the languages required and have a valid credit card.

But where using a 3rd party is a choice/alternative for us, the Japanese players are essentially forced down that path because dealing with what one considers an evil is not an option for most people (including westerners) .. it is just an unacceptable move by CCP.
Endeavour Starfleet
#185 - 2012-01-14 07:38:17 UTC
Oh I was speaking in general terms and not as EVE related. I completely agree that removing their option to pay directly is completely wrong and indeed a breech of trust.
Jacob Stiller
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#186 - 2012-01-14 07:46:32 UTC
If this was part of the deal for Nexon to localize the Eve client, then CCP may not be able to back out without unleasing a legal hailstorm. I wouldn't expect CCP to ditch Nexon at this point no matter how much you nag them. I.e. you may be able to negotiate the pricing if that becomes an issue, but Nexon is almost certainly going to control access to Eve in Japan regardless.
FadeIN Fr0St
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#187 - 2012-01-15 20:17:01 UTC
:( Just when CCP seemed to be getting back on track.

SO SO SADUgh

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Jacob Stiller
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#188 - 2012-01-16 03:40:33 UTC
Hilmar gets scammed by the robot devil and loses Japanese player base. Oh well, its good as done now.
Ager Agemo
Rainbow Ponies Incorporated
#189 - 2012-01-16 05:24:22 UTC
I Too agree, forcing them to pay with other method and not allowing them to pay normally is unfair.
handige harrie
Vereenigde Handels Compagnie
#190 - 2012-01-16 06:31:59 UTC
I guess CCP didn't want those players anyway

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Valei Khurelem
#191 - 2012-01-16 06:53:41 UTC
Why is it that CCP keep finding new ways to disappoint me while making me happy about the features they're introducing? Quit dicking around CCP give those Japanese their sensible billing back they're trying to pay you you idiots!

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP."   - CCP Ytterbium
Myxx
The Scope
#192 - 2012-01-16 07:15:08 UTC
I have sent no fewer than at least three evemails to members of the CSM. I hope it hasn't fallen on deaf ears.
Jacob Stiller
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#193 - 2012-01-17 00:25:12 UTC
Today, I shall bump on behalf of the Japanese gamers, for all of the good it will do. Domo arigato Mr. Roboto.
XY Zed
#194 - 2012-01-17 01:41:38 UTC
I thought it would be funny to mention that you can trade items for NX cash in some of their other games, so you could end up paying for eve by playing an Nexon distributed game.

http://www.maplewiki.net/index.php?title=Nexon_Cash#Maple_Trading_System
Meryn Song
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#195 - 2012-01-17 03:24:20 UTC
Huh, wow, I just stumbled purely by chance onto this thread. I'm a native English speaker resident in Tokyo. I'd like to get my billing and billing support from a company with experience in dealing with native English speakers.

That means CCP, not NEXON. I don't want to create a NEXON account and pay by points.

I want to carry on with the annual billing plans which I have at the moment (four accounts here), not farking about with acquiring monthly re-ups via some point system about which I have no interest; or having to go online and buy GTC via PayPal.

The system works PERFECTLY for me now CCP. Please LEAVE IT ALONE.
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#196 - 2012-01-17 03:28:58 UTC
shattered crystal? battle clinic? buy plex with credit card -> apply to your account.. sure its a little more expensive then subing through credit cards but no nexon involved.
you apply the plex from in game, so i dont see how nexon can control that.
Decus Daga
Unfit for Duty
#197 - 2012-01-17 03:45:30 UTC
Herping yourDerp wrote:
shattered crystal? battle clinic? buy plex with credit card -> apply to your account.. sure its a little more expensive then subing through credit cards but no nexon involved.
you apply the plex from in game, so i dont see how nexon can control that.



Thats half the point, more expensive. More to that what was mentioned above about buying nexon credit to pay for eve from another game, nexon games can be used to generate that credit, which botting is allowed in. Combine that with the plex for buddy system and thats another problem.

Also nexons security breach's and we have a headache for anyone trying to connect from japan, for no real reason.
Meryn Song
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#198 - 2012-01-17 03:53:55 UTC
Herping yourDerp wrote:
shattered crystal? battle clinic? buy plex with credit card -> apply to your account.. sure its a little more expensive then subing through credit cards but no nexon involved.

It's not "a little more expensive". It's more than 50% more expensive.

$34.99 for a GTC times 6 plus 2.5% PayPal cross-currency fee = ¥15,696. As opposed to $131.40 for a 12 month subscription direct from CCP on my no-FX-load credit card = ¥10,085.

It's more expensive, it's pointless, the current system works, don't change it.
Forroden
Halcyon Front
#199 - 2012-01-17 08:09:40 UTC
For some reason the words racism, ethnicism and/or discrimination are rolling about my head after reading this.

Seems like a load of baloney to force one group of people to have to do something differently just because of their locality (I'd argue the same applies to China, but that's a whole other can of worms that doesn't really apply here).

If you tried to pull something like this over in North America the words lawsuit, sue and lawyers probably would have popped up on the first page.

Hurray for CCP taking a step in the wrong direction of multiculturalism.
Endeavour Starfleet
#200 - 2012-01-17 08:34:34 UTC
XY Zed wrote:
I thought it would be funny to mention that you can trade items for NX cash in some of their other games, so you could end up paying for eve by playing an Nexon distributed game.

http://www.maplewiki.net/index.php?title=Nexon_Cash#Maple_Trading_System



CCP what is going on?! Are you going to answer us about this? Are you seriously going to allow a game other than EVE generate time for accounts in EVE?