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EVE IPH Industry Calculator v3.3
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Cwittofur Cesaille
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#61 - 2016-05-05 20:18:24 UTC
Lilin wrote:
It appears that the blueprints for fuel blocks may be off in IPH. Please see the attached screenshots for what IPH claims the raw materials list is vs. the actual list ingame at 10 ME.

http://puu.sh/oHuK7/57b7e99c49.png

http://puu.sh/oHuLH/bd88a9d9ba.jpg

It appears that Nitrogen and Helium are the only two off.


I assume you're using a POS? Put the blueprints in the assembly array and report the numbers. Building things inside a POS provide an additional 2% ME (At least for the Ammunition Assembly Array)

Although your number is really low. What are your settings? I just tested this and I'm not seeing the same numbers.
Cecil Oppenheimer
Uti Possidetis
#62 - 2016-05-06 08:07:39 UTC
Void XL and Null XL units are incorrect.

IPH says 100 units per run, should be 5000.

Heartfelt thanks for taking this project over, its by far the best indy support tool out there.

CO
Bonik
DIE-HARD PATRIOTS
P-A-T-R-I-O-T-S
#63 - 2016-05-06 09:03:05 UTC
Firstly I say big thanks to you for support this great tool. I hope you make it even better!

But I have 2 big troubles:

1) your new blueprint selection is very bad, really. I have big amount of BPs and now searching some of them is very hard. As example you can try to find T2 cruise missile launcher. You must type by hands almost whole name. It was much more comfortable before when I can limit results by T2 only and scroll sorted list. Blueprint list absolutely useless for me. Very long time to open and no search.

2) my provider for unknown reasons blocks IPs what used for auto update. And only way is to use proxy but IPH doesn't support this or I can't find where I can to setup this.
Jovis Mangeiri
Govannon and Avernus Inc.
#64 - 2016-05-06 10:15:45 UTC
Bonik wrote:
Firstly I say big thanks to you for support this great tool. I hope you make it even better!

But I have 2 big troubles:

1) your new blueprint selection is very bad, really. I have big amount of BPs and now searching some of them is very hard. As example you can try to find T2 cruise missile launcher. You must type by hands almost whole name. It was much more comfortable before when I can limit results by T2 only and scroll sorted list. Blueprint list absolutely useless for me. Very long time to open and no search.

2) my provider for unknown reasons blocks IPs what used for auto update. And only way is to use proxy but IPH doesn't support this or I can't find where I can to setup this.


1) There is a Blueprint list that have that search options. Double click on the blueprint loads it: http://prnt.sc/b0wi9h

2) Are u sure that your provider is the one who blocks that IPs? Never heard of something like that. Normally thats blocked by a router. (It would interest me what provider u have.)
Anyway: "Setting" -> "Select Application Settings" -> At the bottom right corner of the window there u can set a proxy connection.
Cwittofur Cesaille
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#65 - 2016-05-06 13:20:47 UTC
Cecil Oppenheimer wrote:
Void XL and Null XL units are incorrect.

IPH says 100 units per run, should be 5000.

Heartfelt thanks for taking this project over, its by far the best indy support tool out there.

CO


I'll look into this. I haven't released their latest data update, checking it now to see if it is 'correct' or if there's something else in the code that needs to be adjusted. Looks like it's an update to their database, I'll push out a patch to the application later tonight. Going to fix a couple bugs today if I can get the time!
Cwittofur Cesaille
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#66 - 2016-05-06 13:24:06 UTC
Bonik wrote:

1) your new blueprint selection is very bad, really. I have big amount of BPs and now searching some of them is very hard. As example you can try to find T2 cruise missile launcher. You must type by hands almost whole name. It was much more comfortable before when I can limit results by T2 only and scroll sorted list. Blueprint list absolutely useless for me. Very long time to open and no search.


I'm sorry to hear your dissatisfaction with the update. Please keep in mind that I did maintain all of the original functionality, it is just in a different location. The BP List button will display a list which you can use to find what you're looking for. I had found another bug in it the other day and I will be pushing an update tonight to fix it. There was an update that addressed the speed issues and the new update fixes a filtering issue.

The person above did provide information on how to use the proxy settings.
Bonik
DIE-HARD PATRIOTS
P-A-T-R-I-O-T-S
#67 - 2016-05-06 13:52:51 UTC
Cwittofur Cesaille wrote:
Please keep in mind that I did maintain all of the original functionality, it is just in a different location.


Sounds very good! But now it's not true. There are no way now to search T2 BP only. May be you can make solution like EFT where typing somewhat in the search field limits tree? And really nice way is to make switch: old BP selection or new BP selection. And everyone can make own decision. How about it?


Quote:
The person above did provide information on how to use the proxy settings.


Big thanks to you both I didn't understand how I miss it. But happyness doesn't come to me now because this setting is used only by IPH not updater. :)
Cwittofur Cesaille
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#68 - 2016-05-06 15:25:56 UTC
Bonik wrote:
Cwittofur Cesaille wrote:
Please keep in mind that I did maintain all of the original functionality, it is just in a different location.


Sounds very good! But now it's not true. There are no way now to search T2 BP only. May be you can make solution like EFT where typing somewhat in the search field limits tree? And really nice way is to make switch: old BP selection or new BP selection. And everyone can make own decision. How about it?


At this point in time I have no intentions of reverting the old search functionality or re-implementing it.

The new List view does essentially the same thing without as much clutter. Here's a screenshot with filtering out T2 items only. It's using the same type of list structure that many are familiar with in other apps as well as in game.

Tech 2 Only Filter

You can download the Binary Files and extract those to your directory to get the updates, I'll make sure to keep those updated. I will look into providing proxy support in the future.
Bonik
DIE-HARD PATRIOTS
P-A-T-R-I-O-T-S
#69 - 2016-05-06 17:42:51 UTC
Cwittofur Cesaille wrote:
At this point in time I have no intentions of reverting the old search functionality or re-implementing it.


Sound now not so good. You fixed what really wasn't broken. :(

Quote:
Here's a screenshot with filtering out T2 items only.


One window for search and one for filtering. But when you don't know in which group placed your BP (as I didn't about 1000 of my) filter window absolutely useless for you. And in case of cruise missile launcher you must scroll tons of rockets before you find laucnher.

Quote:
You can download the Binary Files and extract those to your directory to get the updates, I'll make sure to keep those updated. I will look into providing proxy support in the future.


Thanks! But now binary update archive exe file have date february 21. May be wrong link?
Cwittofur Cesaille
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#70 - 2016-05-06 18:13:51 UTC
Bonik wrote:

Thanks! But now binary update archive exe file have date february 21. May be wrong link?


Yep wrong link; I'll update that for you. Sorry about that.

3.3 Binaries

I thought I updated the site with that link but I guess I didn't. My apologies.
Bonik
DIE-HARD PATRIOTS
P-A-T-R-I-O-T-S
#71 - 2016-05-06 19:44:00 UTC
Another urgently option: I amost always need to search only in my BPs. I don't need to see faction and other BPs what exist in database but not in game.
Bro sorry but it really hard to use now. :(
George Gouillot
MASS
Pandemic Horde
#72 - 2016-05-07 16:25:25 UTC
Cwittofur Cesaille wrote:
George Gouillot wrote:
Price update crashes the program (reproducable)


Could you please list out steps on how you are reproducing this? What options are selected? I can't reproduce this right now, but I'm sure with proper steps I can :)


After deleting all settings and a fresh reinstall:

Crash occurs on price download every time when 'Price Profile' is selected. Download works when 'Single SelectÄ is ticked.
Its a pity,a s the price profile is something I was waiting for for years.
Haffsol
#73 - 2016-05-08 07:52:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Haffsol
I don't know if this is strictly IPH related or just EVE related, but how are invention costs calculated? It looks like number of lines/runs/bp have some serious impact on it but I don't seem to get how.

The fact is that sometimes deciding which decryptor to use is not quite straight forward. For instance Accelerant and Process decryptors, they cost quite similarly, but using the first sometimes reduce invention costs, others not. The fact is that Process gives a +3ME modifier, Accelerant only +2 so one would guess the more expensive building an item is the more convenient Process decryptor is, but it's not always like that. So I'd assume it's not calculated "per single run" (as in "how much does it cost to create a single run T2 BPC") but per batch (as in "let's try to build 10/100/1000 T2 BPC, see how much is costs and then divide per 10/100/1000").

Hope it makes sense, I'm not taking screenshots for privacy reasons :p

edit: I'm talking about raw "Profit" not "Isk Per Hour"
Cwittofur Cesaille
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#74 - 2016-05-09 15:47:23 UTC
Haffsol wrote:
I don't know if this is strictly IPH related or just EVE related, but how are invention costs calculated? It looks like number of lines/runs/bp have some serious impact on it but I don't seem to get how.

The fact is that sometimes deciding which decryptor to use is not quite straight forward. For instance Accelerant and Process decryptors, they cost quite similarly, but using the first sometimes reduce invention costs, others not. The fact is that Process gives a +3ME modifier, Accelerant only +2 so one would guess the more expensive building an item is the more convenient Process decryptor is, but it's not always like that. So I'd assume it's not calculated "per single run" (as in "how much does it cost to create a single run T2 BPC") but per batch (as in "let's try to build 10/100/1000 T2 BPC, see how much is costs and then divide per 10/100/1000").

Hope it makes sense, I'm not taking screenshots for privacy reasons :p

edit: I'm talking about raw "Profit" not "Isk Per Hour"


From Zifrian himself: "yes. It's calculated as how much does it cost for each resulting run, not per invention run. If you invent 500 runs of an item, then you want to know what the total cost per run based on your inputs and success rate. I'm not sure why people keep asking about how much it costs per single run. Over time, the cost will approach what your skills say the success rate is along with decryptor bonuses. I'm not sure if he's looking at 1 run or multiple for the Accelerant or Process decryptor but the Accellerant gives +1 runs to the bpc, Process gives no runs. For 1 run, it looks fine - the ME 3 bp gives more profit than the ME 2."
Cwittofur Cesaille
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#75 - 2016-05-09 15:54:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Cwittofur Cesaille
George Gouillot wrote:
Cwittofur Cesaille wrote:
George Gouillot wrote:
Price update crashes the program (reproducable)


Could you please list out steps on how you are reproducing this? What options are selected? I can't reproduce this right now, but I'm sure with proper steps I can :)


After deleting all settings and a fresh reinstall:

Crash occurs on price download every time when 'Price Profile' is selected. Download works when 'Single SelectÄ is ticked.
Its a pity,a s the price profile is something I was waiting for for years.


Zifrian fixed this yesterday, it'll be released when I send out a new patch :)
Haffsol
#76 - 2016-05-10 18:12:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Haffsol
Cwittofur Cesaille wrote:
From Zifrian himself: "yes. It's calculated as how much does it cost for each resulting run, not per invention run. If you invent 500 runs of an item, then you want to know what the total cost per run based on your inputs and success rate. I'm not sure why people keep asking about how much it costs per single run. Over time, the cost will approach what your skills say the success rate is along with decryptor bonuses. I'm not sure if he's looking at 1 run or multiple for the Accelerant or Process decryptor but the Accellerant gives +1 runs to the bpc, Process gives no runs. For 1 run, it looks fine - the ME 3 bp gives more profit than the ME 2."

I wasn't asking for the cost per invention run, I was just asking for how the maths work :p

Still confused about why to build (for instance) a vagabond is better with accelerant and entosis with process. I found other modules, much cheaper than the entosis, that look like better built off a process decryptor and that's pretty weird. I don't remember exactly which ones now, in any case I'm totally trusting IPH on that :D
George Gouillot
MASS
Pandemic Horde
#77 - 2016-05-11 07:58:08 UTC
Cwittofur Cesaille wrote:
George Gouillot wrote:
Cwittofur Cesaille wrote:
George Gouillot wrote:
Price update crashes the program (reproducable)


Could you please list out steps on how you are reproducing this? What options are selected? I can't reproduce this right now, but I'm sure with proper steps I can :)


After deleting all settings and a fresh reinstall:

Crash occurs on price download every time when 'Price Profile' is selected. Download works when 'Single SelectÄ is ticked.
Its a pity,a s the price profile is something I was waiting for for years.


Zifrian fixed this yesterday, it'll be released when I send out a new patch :)


solved after new patch :)
Ty both
Gyges Skyeye
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#78 - 2016-05-12 08:42:01 UTC
There's a strange bug right now where I can't seems to get the program to produce more than 4 runs of Ammo or Fuel Blocks at a time.
Cwittofur Cesaille
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#79 - 2016-05-12 13:10:26 UTC
Gyges Skyeye wrote:
There's a strange bug right now where I can't seems to get the program to produce more than 4 runs of Ammo or Fuel Blocks at a time.


Oh, yeah that would be a problem. Fixing one bug created this one. I have a fix for it now :) I'll push a patch late tonight.
Chu Ke
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#80 - 2016-05-12 14:08:33 UTC
hi guys

this keeps trying to install to the d:\

how do i change it to another drive

i doesnt give me an option to do that