Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This is a skill idea is meant to create a scorch earth strategy, it's a skill directly related to a ships self destruct, namely, it allows a player to manually detonate their ships and destroying significantly MORE of their cargo hold, denying a kill mail, and possibly a smart-bomb like aoe attack.

So here is how i figure it, the skill requirements will be Science level 3, power grid management level 3, and energy pulse weapons level 3.

the skill should be a x4 difficulty skill, each skill level will increase the cargo destructiveness of the self destruct (i was thinking 15-20% increase cargo destruction per level) .

a additional idea would require a change to a ships self destruct, in that if a player initiates a self destruct it starts a timer until self destruct (and maybe prompt a on grid local message such XX ship is overloading their reactor, basically telling everyone that they are gonna self destruct in X amount of seconds and if they want the killmail / significant loot they will need to kill that player before the self destruct goes off.) and that each skill level will decrease that timer. A further change would be to make the self destruct require a minimum % of the ships capacitor, i think having it require 60% of the capacitor would be a nice balance, and when a ship is self destructing, active modules are disabled (meaning weapons and active tank will stop) the timer itself will also be based around the ships size (so a battleship will take longer to actually explode then say a frigate) the capacitor requirement and active module disable will make choosing to self destruct a significant choice on the player, because if they engage in combat and DONT self destruct or to start the self destruct they amy not have the capacitor to do so and they remove their ability to fight back.

Now the AOE- if such a aoe is added, here is what i was thinking, damage type will be racial specific. The raw damage should be based around the ship that is destroyed, namely that ships CAPACITOR output, so the higher the capacitor the greater the raw damage, (this would also make the freighter aoe attack weaker then say a battleship, while inversely allowing a capital ships self destruct to deal significant damage)

This is a basic idea, the reason for it is to overhaul the self destruct to actually give it a function other then if you end up trapping yourself in a WH, to also allow player to enact scorch earth strategy if they are carrying valuable cargo to deny that cargo to enemies.

Why are you considered "beaten" if your ship is still alive?

the idea here is just what i said, scorched earth, if players don't bring enough firepower to bear on their target, that's on them, that's poor management of the gank, from the victims perspective, it allows the option and the satisfaction, that if you make the decision quickly enough and if the timer is able to count down, not only do you deny your enemy the satisfaction of kill mail, but you also make your salvage worth a whole lot less.

Sure, but how does that make the game better? Should not the victor get the prize if they outplay an opponent and force them to self-destruct? Why would it be better that someone can deny another player a win just out of spite? Wouldn't everyone just do that all the time then and no one would be getting killmails or loot any more?

How much firepower should players bring to guarantee a kill do you think fair?

Timed self destruct is there to purposefully allow enemies to kill you before your cowardly protection of your KB takes place. As to cargo drops, jetcans are still instantly poppable I believe. Jetcan, shoot jetcan, start unplugging your implants...

Shah has already pointed out why aoe suicides are a bad idea, and Pedro has pointed out you just would rather wreck your toys than share them with better/luckier players. I'll at least humor your desire to limit their gains.

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I was under the impression self destruct used to prevent any drops but it was changed (don't know why).

Im all for a self destruct that takes time and completely destroys everything within. But no aoe and it still gives everyone a kill mail (maybe with something saying the self destruct was successful).

Its topics like this that make me ponder what Eve Online would be like without KMs and the resultant KB stats.
Granted many would leave due to that, but many have already left due to it.

But like all theories of what could have been, no one could truly know.

One thing is for sure, too many players obsess over them. Their own, and others'.

I agree, loot drops for all should be more limited to something like charges and cargo, not fitted mods. Fitted mods should require salvaging.

I didn't say anything like that, but that's an amazing idea! You should write up a post on that. Perhaps you can look into the wreck to see what modules are salvageable from it, or check the killmail if you have access to it.




Intel, not free intel. If you have to bother to scan killboards for the intel, it isn't free. Please stop using the term 'free intel' when you're talking about 'intel'.

Well said.

Because the tears would be priceless...