Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Because you have to actively control the 5, 10, 15 logi ships, something that is absent from your suggestion. Your suggestion is nothing more than a buff to those with deeper pockets.

They still haven't explained why headshotting the enemy FC is a problem.

When my friends are already paying for that many accounts and already bringing alts to fleets, whats a few more alts? Its not like they dont benefit from the fc being invulnerable. I'm not doing them a great disservice by asking them to bring alts. Even though I'd be the one getting the resists, im helping them defend their homes and make more money.

I remember reading about a group of Russians multi boxing six accounts each during a sov war. Any and all tactics that can be used will be used. Any mechanic that can be exploited will be. Because when it comes to a sandbox, some fights are about survival. Kill or be killed. We don't play fair, we dont play nice. And that's how we like it.

Decoy drones.

The mechanic is already in place to "skin" ships and make one ship look like another. Remember that Scope video where a ship was captured in total disguise?


Were it up to me™

- decoy drones using skin mechanics could be skinned to look like anything you wanted (you have to buy the "drone skin" like you would say buy a script for a module)
- they would appear "as skinned" on D-scan and overview.
- only a ship scanner would reveal their true nature. (yeah, someone will have to fit one).
- the "pilot name" attachment on the overview would be a duplicate of who whoever launched the decoy drone. So you would have say 5 maelstroms piloted by Captain Bob but... which one is the one? (And by the time you figure it out, the fight is on.. unless you are really lucky or have the ability to primary six ships at once).
- respective drone size for respective size of that which they are deployed to imitate. Large drones for large ships, medium for BC and cruisers, small for dessies and frigates, etc. Capital decoys? Hey wouldn't that be interesting.
- expectedly a decoy drone is not going to take much damage, or attack, or anything of that nature.
- "hit" effects on a decoy will look different from the real thing (meaning: pay attention beyond "F1 Monkey")

As someone who leads fleets of that kind of size:

I shoot fcs and I get headshotted myself. We deal with it by having backup fcs, or even fcing from alts in fleet. We just find a way to handle it. FCs don't need special love, we're usually some of the most resourceful people in the game. Some FCs are capable of single-handedly equipping their entire fleets.

Your average strategic fleet is flown by an FC in an overtanked ship. Cruiser fleets in gsf are fced by nano battlecruisers or overtanked cruisers. Hac fleets and above are FCed by overtanked tech 3 cruisers or command ships. The most important part of an fc ship is not just the tank: it's his expanded probe launcher that takes 220 cpu just to fit. If I FC frigates, I gimp-fit just to squeeze the probe launcher in. T3Ds with that bonus to probe launcher fitting also help a lot.

Fcs usually expect to be headshotted going in. So you prepare your tanky ships and your remote reps properly. If that doesn't work, your backups take over. I've also nominated veterans to takeover fleets on the fly.

No one gives a flying **** about the actual squad and wing positions beyond setting up boosts because they aren't really used that way. If I need to split my forces, I would usually be fielding 2 fleets using 2 fcs in 2 separate channels that can talk to each other while sending their own instructions to their respective fleets. But hardly anyone outside the major coalitions have that kind of IT infrastructure to set up communications that way. But also, if I needed 5 small gangs on the field, I would use 5 fleets. Not 5 wings, or 5 squads. And if I could field that many boosters, each fleet would have each own SET of boosting ships to allow them to be in different systems.

If you really want CCP to design a ship just for fcs, maybe they could iterate on command ships to make them even tankier and with better probing capabilities. Otherwise everything is mostly working as intended.

and again, I agree. But if CCP is going to introduce a Solution to the 'Problem' then i'd prefer if it didn't come in the form of a "New Ship". Fleet size will make it so small gangs won't have to worry about the 'special ship that never dies' and as the battle wears on it will make the FC as vulnerable as the next guy.

.. And yes, you can pay for 100 accounts to fly shuttles...

I don't think he gets it...

EvE is all meta game. fights are generally won and lost before the two fleets are on grid and what makes eve so much better than other games is i don't need to log in to play it



anyway knowing the FC has nothing to do with being old or rich you can generally tell who the FC is after a few engagements or a bit of snooping. In fact newer groups will have a much better time hiding their FCs.


but either way killing the officer is a perfectly just tactic and any well organized force knows enough to train others to take his job if he falls

Right you are, my god Titan would not be vulnerable to the Capital Blobs of eve. The enemy would actually have to put some effort into killing the Sub-Cap escort first... or.. my 100 shuttles.. assuming i was dumb enough to do that.

Right again, this wouldn't be eve if you couldn't. You've also proven a point, even with the bonus resistance you still can bring down an FC, its just a choice. Focus on FC or his vulnerable fleet OR bring in all your blue friends to help you take down this ONE dude because you fail at defeating his fleet. All viable options.