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Symposium New Eden

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Aedre Lafisques
Nadire Security Consultants
Federation Peacekeepers
#1 - 2016-05-07 04:45:08 UTC
Boidue, lei pilotes,

I have been asked to signal boost a channel, the Symposium New Eden. The purpose of this channel is to encourage moderated discussion on topics of the cluster.

While one might lament that our voices are not heard, as I have seen expressed in the case of the PPC, the Election, even the Council, but I would like to counter that the purpose of discourse is the same as it always has been, at least in the Gallente tradition. It is not defeated by a lack of subsequence, but the lack of discourse itself to begin with. We shouldn’t confuse the inaction of the authorities with a lack of meaning in discussion itself. It is not dialogue for dialogue's sake but the the honing of skills just like any other.

Who better is in a position to influence those around us but Capsuleers? Who should be more well–informed and well–versed in matters of the day than us? Our potential is in our own hands, and if we practice defeat, then we will be defeated. If being ignored is all it takes to discourage us, what can we argue we really want?

In the meantime, while the Empires and powers that be are content to continue as they were in blissful ignorance of the changing times, it lies with us, adaptable and free, to define what terms we would like to see, what bridges need to be coordinated, built, or destroyed to shape the future we can see swiftly arrives.

But - not to be too serious, which like all things is a bad habit in excess, I would like to, on behalf of everyone already involved, welcome those willing to put forth their dreams and fears for discussion, and bring a cask.
Xun Yu
Sanxing
#2 - 2016-05-07 04:54:43 UTC
Jueshi Lafisques,

Mutual understanding and free and respectful communication is the beginning of any movement towards a more harmonious and lasting peace. I am most glad to see this router open officially, and will be commending it to all.

Regards,

Xun Yu
Taishou of Sanxing

Sanxing - 'Three Stars' - Committed to the Jin-Mei and the Federation

Find us on your Neocom on the router: Sanxing

Mika Firestorm
Your Friendly Neighborhood Logistics
#3 - 2016-05-07 05:41:20 UTC
There's already channel for this, it is called "Intergalactic Summit", just like this forum.

State the nature of your medical emergency

Xun Yu
Sanxing
#4 - 2016-05-07 05:45:23 UTC
Mika Firestorm wrote:
There's already channel for this, it is called "Intergalactic Summit", just like this forum.


Ms. Firestorm,

From my brief conversation with Mr. Lafisques about this channel, and its purpose, as distinct to the IGS (both here and the fluid router) is that it serves as a particular point of contact for those interested in discussing matters relating to the Federation and her constitute peoples, history, cultures, and government.

Regards,

Xun Yu
Taishou of Sanxing

Sanxing - 'Three Stars' - Committed to the Jin-Mei and the Federation

Find us on your Neocom on the router: Sanxing

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#5 - 2016-05-07 08:44:40 UTC
Mr. Yu, I don't think Mr. Lafisques said it was related to the Federation.

Thus I have to ask, maybe even both of you, is this channel indeed for Federation matters only, or other people are welcome as well?

And if they are, will they have ability to speak their opinions open, even if these opinions will contradict gallentean standard of thinking? Are gallentean standards of thinking enforced in this channel by strict speech prohibition?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Xun Yu
Sanxing
#6 - 2016-05-07 08:57:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Xun Yu
Diana Kim wrote:
Mr. Yu, I don't think Mr. Lafisques said it was related to the Federation.

Thus I have to ask, maybe even both of you, is this channel indeed for Federation matters only, or other people are welcome as well?

And if they are, will they have ability to speak their opinions open, even if these opinions will contradict gallentean standard of thinking? Are gallentean standards of thinking enforced in this channel by strict speech prohibition?


Commander Kim,

Jueshi Lafisques has an idiosyncratic manner of expression I think it is fair to say, and indeed something I find most pleasing in a conversation partner.

As to the matter of the channel, it is open to any who are able to respect common decency, and the discussion is open to contrary opinions again so long as they are reasonably and politely expressed - after all free and frank discussion is a fundamental of any functioning democracy.

As to what may be discussed of course any reasonable matter of interest may be discussed civilly upon the router, but again to reiterate a strict policy of civility will be required of all and breaches will meet with exclusion from the router. This is my understanding, I am sure Jueshi Lafisques can confirm this when they are next available.

Sincerely,

Xun Yu
Taishou of Sanxing

Sanxing - 'Three Stars' - Committed to the Jin-Mei and the Federation

Find us on your Neocom on the router: Sanxing

Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#7 - 2016-05-07 14:07:20 UTC
Consider myself intrigued, Mssr. Lafisques.

I believe that while a political impasse currently exists among the signatories of the CONCORD assembly, it should not mean a denial of the opportunity among our peers in the independent capsuleer community at open dialogue and discussion conducted in good faith and in the pursuit of common ground and common interests.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#8 - 2016-05-07 14:42:13 UTC
Xun Yu wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Mr. Yu, I don't think Mr. Lafisques said it was related to the Federation.

Thus I have to ask, maybe even both of you, is this channel indeed for Federation matters only, or other people are welcome as well?

And if they are, will they have ability to speak their opinions open, even if these opinions will contradict gallentean standard of thinking? Are gallentean standards of thinking enforced in this channel by strict speech prohibition?


Commander Kim,

Jueshi Lafisques has an idiosyncratic manner of expression I think it is fair to say, and indeed something I find most pleasing in a conversation partner.

As to the matter of the channel, it is open to any who are able to respect common decency, and the discussion is open to contrary opinions again so long as they are reasonably and politely expressed - after all free and frank discussion is a fundamental of any functioning democracy.

As to what may be discussed of course any reasonable matter of interest may be discussed civilly upon the router, but again to reiterate a strict policy of civility will be required of all and breaches will meet with exclusion from the router. This is my understanding, I am sure Jueshi Lafisques can confirm this when they are next available.

Sincerely,

Xun Yu
Taishou of Sanxing

That wasn't the question I have asked, but since you have switched discussion to civility, I have to ask you directly about that part.

Will speakers be protected from personal attacks and lies because they sound opinions and philosophies, that others (and official Federal propaganda) can't accept?

Speaking of democracy, the best weapon against it is knowledge. Unfortunately, most of the times I used such weapon it was 'countered' by verbal 'mudslinging'. I am honestly tired of such 'experiences', and if you really guarantee real unbiased civility, then I am interested to give this channel a try.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#9 - 2016-05-07 14:48:02 UTC
Xun Yu wrote:
As to the matter of the channel, it is open to any who are able to respect common decency, and the discussion is open to contrary opinions again so long as they are reasonably and politely expressed - after all free and frank discussion is a fundamental of any functioning democracy.

It is interesting how very often frank discussions are considered impolite.
Aedre Lafisques
Nadire Security Consultants
Federation Peacekeepers
#10 - 2016-05-07 14:54:01 UTC
Mika Firestorm wrote:
There's already channel for this, it is called "Intergalactic Summit", just like this forum.


The idea of the channel is to keep it more strictly curated than the open chats for our community of Capsuleers, of which there is a few, in fact. I think any time people think Gallentes want to talk about things they associate it with free speech, which is not exactly what I am in fact proposing here. There's no real reason to regulate the number of channels for free-form chatting if it behooves their creators, in any case, as a multitude of options generally lead to people finding things that they personally prefer. Narrowing choices generally has a detrimental effect on building emergent communities as it limits behavior norms, dictating form from a select library that might exclude otherwise willing voices.

In any case, to reiterate, it is what it looks like, ...which I understand is perhaps not usual. A channel run by Federals, and has a structure in the form of some gentle moderation in line with adherence to Dialogue. As a Federal and as a Dove, I would not restrict the channel's access to race, as that would be hypocritical to the extreme, and I personally would be happy to hear from those who would like to weigh in, as long as it bides by the structure we're hoping to achieve. There is always a place for free speech in its purest form, but there is also a place for other kinds of discourse as well. This is about options and about constructive progress in our relations and will be likely tuned to our corner of the cluster. There are complex forces at work everywhere, and there is nothing wrong with a little focus from time to time.

I understand where the concerns come from, but it is not our way to restrict a variety in all things, as we believe it is one way to promote growth. Those who prefer consolidation and group unity may still do so in the traditional pillar channels, which remain and will endure, of our collective social legacy.


Also thank you, Xun Yu. I do believe we have an understanding.

Further, free speech and democracy are not universally constructive in every situation. Even truth can be deemed non-constructive if the format it is brought with is aggressive or puts others off. It is in this vein we will be handling complaints.

Frankness as well is handled differently in different cultures, and as Federals, we must be aware of this within our borders as well. Civility will be a priority, over 'frank' discussion, which is often a veneer for antagonizing enemies, as an alternative path to the sharing of ideas. Perhaps we will see some voices that have not yet spoken up.
Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#11 - 2016-05-07 20:22:29 UTC
Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2016-05-08 14:25:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Jason Galente
Diana Kim wrote:
Xun Yu wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Mr. Yu, I don't think Mr. Lafisques said it was related to the Federation.

Thus I have to ask, maybe even both of you, is this channel indeed for Federation matters only, or other people are welcome as well?

And if they are, will they have ability to speak their opinions open, even if these opinions will contradict gallentean standard of thinking? Are gallentean standards of thinking enforced in this channel by strict speech prohibition?


Commander Kim,

Jueshi Lafisques has an idiosyncratic manner of expression I think it is fair to say, and indeed something I find most pleasing in a conversation partner.

As to the matter of the channel, it is open to any who are able to respect common decency, and the discussion is open to contrary opinions again so long as they are reasonably and politely expressed - after all free and frank discussion is a fundamental of any functioning democracy.

As to what may be discussed of course any reasonable matter of interest may be discussed civilly upon the router, but again to reiterate a strict policy of civility will be required of all and breaches will meet with exclusion from the router. This is my understanding, I am sure Jueshi Lafisques can confirm this when they are next available.

Sincerely,

Xun Yu
Taishou of Sanxing

That wasn't the question I have asked, but since you have switched discussion to civility, I have to ask you directly about that part.

Will speakers be protected from personal attacks and lies because they sound opinions and philosophies, that others (and official Federal propaganda) can't accept?

Speaking of democracy, the best weapon against it is knowledge. Unfortunately, most of the times I used such weapon it was 'countered' by verbal 'mudslinging'. I am honestly tired of such 'experiences', and if you really guarantee real unbiased civility, then I am interested to give this channel a try.


How would you protect someone from those "lies" without restricting the speaker of said "lies" from their free speech as well?

Diana, stop playing these games. I think I can probably simplify this for you.

You can come and speak your piece in a civil and respectful manner, and others can do the same, regardless of whether or not you find it objectionable or even untrue, so long as it is civil and respectful. You have a habit of interpreting any criticism as "lies and propaganda", so I doubt the owners of the channel will censor sufficiently to your standards.

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost

Iggy Rurik
Nadire Security Consultants
Federation Peacekeepers
#13 - 2016-05-08 22:50:46 UTC
I'm eager to take part in this new channel and see what other lively conversations arise.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#14 - 2016-05-09 08:51:25 UTC
Jason Galente wrote:

How would you protect someone from those "lies" without restricting the speaker of said "lies" from their free speech as well?

Diana, stop playing these games. I think I can probably simplify this for you.

You can come and speak your piece in a civil and respectful manner, and others can do the same, regardless of whether or not you find it objectionable or even untrue, so long as it is civil and respectful. You have a habit of interpreting any criticism as "lies and propaganda", so I doubt the owners of the channel will censor sufficiently to your standards.

First what you shall learn, that so called "free speech" is a dangerous and semi-criminal phenomenon, that shall not be allowed in any civilized society.

All people MUST bear responsibility for what they say.

Words can get you killed, words can get you rich. And you can't hide behind so-called "right" of "free speech".

Besides that, it shall be allowed for people to speak opinions, but shall not be allowed to insult opponents in conversations (well, provided they don't start that first. I usually stop considering opponent in conversation as a honorable person when they start personal attacks and just shove into them what they deserve).

Also, YOU shall LEARN already, that there is a distinct difference between criticism and lies with insults. Basically, you can criticise someone for doing something, telling what they did wrong and why. You need to have a strong basis for a criticism.

Lies and insults can and shall never be considered criticism, they bear neither ground, nor recommendations. They are used just for the sake of unrightful defamation.

Maybe if you will be so kind to LEARN things that you are speaking about, you wouldn't speak nonsence about me (for example, that I have a 'habit of interpreting any criticism as "lies and propaganda"'), which, obviously, doesn't make your speech sound as intelligent at all.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#15 - 2016-05-09 08:57:57 UTC
Mr. Lafisques !

You should have stated CLEARLY in the name of the channel and in the current discussion that it is about FEDERATION or at least GALLENTE business.

Also, thank you, Mr. Xun.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.