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Why was citadel patch pushed live?

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Zetadelta333
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2016-05-08 02:30:26 UTC
So i have an honest queston for ccp or any devs there. Why was this patch pushed live when it obviously wasnt ready.

There were heaps of bugs and problems with mechanics that were reported weeks before live that went unfixed and were acknowledged by ccp.

Upon server startup there were heaps of bugs and problems with new item seeding, invention for new items that could be seen in 5 minutes of browsing items.

Citadels are partially working and what little is seems to clash immensily with some form of legacy code that doesnt seem like it will go away without a full rewrite in order to make citadels into the structures that ccp wants them to be.


So i have to ask why it went live? Why were important things like capital changes left untill less than a week on live then pushed forward with next to no testing on them.

Why was this patch not delayed like the industry patch was? You tried to cram 2 patchs worth of content into one and in the process neither part of it is working fully like it should and still needs work, although one needs a heap more than the other. I can speak for a heap of players i play with in that they would have been more than fine waiting for citadels to fully function properly before going live, instead of thise strange hybrid of not working structure that your sortof docked in but not really.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#2 - 2016-05-08 02:37:01 UTC
Calm down, Citadeleer

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

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Caleb Seremshur
Bloodhorn
Patchwork Freelancers
#3 - 2016-05-08 04:15:51 UTC
Your toon really loves those glasses doesn't he. Suits him quite well.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#4 - 2016-05-08 04:17:15 UTC
This is literally the norm for CCP.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2016-05-08 04:22:17 UTC
Wrecked your dreams?

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Sustrai Aditua
Intandofisa
#6 - 2016-05-08 05:05:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Sustrai Aditua
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
Your toon really loves those glasses doesn't he. Suits him quite well.
He thinks they make him look, smart but they only serve to make him look sinister.

Oh yes. The OP. I'm assuming this is a rhetorical question.

If we get chased by zombies, I'm tripping you.
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#7 - 2016-05-08 05:13:37 UTC
We haven't had the patch yet, only the release.

You have to release something bugged before it can be patched.

Just normal. Nothing to see here.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Zetadelta333
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2016-05-08 05:26:43 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
We haven't had the patch yet, only the release.

You have to release something bugged before it can be patched.

Just normal. Nothing to see here.


there has been a patch every single day since the release went live.
Zetadelta333
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2016-05-08 05:30:11 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
This is literally the norm for CCP.



It shouldnt be. CCP is a 13+ year old company that should know better than to push shodding patchs like this.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#10 - 2016-05-08 05:45:18 UTC
They have a product that has essentially zero competition because of the highly niche audience it caters to.

They don't have to be competent because there's no alternative product for EVE players to switch to.
Zetadelta333
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2016-05-08 05:53:00 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
They have a product that has essentially zero competition because of the highly niche audience it caters to.

They don't have to be competent because there's no alternative product for EVE players to switch to.



So because there is no competition we shouldnt ask or demand better because we know they can do/be better?
Hawke Frost
#12 - 2016-05-08 05:56:49 UTC
I'm already happy that updates don't nuke the database, cause hilarious problems or take 3 days to get the server up again. Not because I'm that easy to please but because I know CCP's track record.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#13 - 2016-05-08 06:02:29 UTC
Zetadelta333 wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
They have a product that has essentially zero competition because of the highly niche audience it caters to.

They don't have to be competent because there's no alternative product for EVE players to switch to.

So because there is no competition we shouldnt ask or demand better because we know they can do/be better?

Don't worry. The offending DEVs will be punished accordingly.


On a more serious note... it is a lot better than it use to be. The patches actually work and the servers haven't had any major crashes (yet)! Big smile

How did you Veterans start?
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#14 - 2016-05-08 06:02:39 UTC
Zetadelta333 wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
We haven't had the patch yet, only the release.

You have to release something bugged before it can be patched.

Just normal. Nothing to see here.


there has been a patch every single day since the release went live.

Oh ok, so you don't mean the release at all. My bad.

Which patch are you referring to then?

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Zetadelta333
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2016-05-08 06:09:26 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Zetadelta333 wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
We haven't had the patch yet, only the release.

You have to release something bugged before it can be patched.

Just normal. Nothing to see here.


there has been a patch every single day since the release went live.

Oh ok, so you don't mean the release at all. My bad.

Which patch are you referring to then?



You do realize what your refering to is a patch wether you want to call it a release or not. Arguing semantics doesnt make citadels work, or fix the multitude of problems right now.
Zetadelta333
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2016-05-08 06:12:05 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Zetadelta333 wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
They have a product that has essentially zero competition because of the highly niche audience it caters to.

They don't have to be competent because there's no alternative product for EVE players to switch to.

So because there is no competition we shouldnt ask or demand better because we know they can do/be better?

Don't worry. The offending DEVs will be punished accordingly.


On a more serious note... it is a lot better than it use to be. The patches actually work and the servers haven't had any major crashes (yet)! Big smile



So because the entire server didnt burst into flames we should be gratefull we got as much as we did?
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#17 - 2016-05-08 06:16:30 UTC
Zetadelta333 wrote:
You do realize what your refering to is a patch wether you want to call it a release or not. Arguing semantics doesnt make citadels work, or fix the multitude of problems right now.

The only thing I realise is you just didn't get the meaning of my original post. It's ok, it wasn't direct.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
violator2k5
Crescent Nova
#18 - 2016-05-08 06:22:51 UTC
Zetadelta333 wrote:
You do realize what your refering to is a patch wether you want to call it a release or not. Arguing semantics doesnt make citadels work, or fix the multitude of problems right now.


neither does threads like these.

you should know how it goes by now, if you got a bug report it and provide evidence if possible. Nothing can be fixed instantly and takes time unless you want faulty patches released that barely fixes anything. CCP were clearly working towards a tight deadline as they had reported on several occasions that they were going to release the update after fanfest and you'd have to be dreaming to expect a fully working update with no bugs for any software or game :/
Sustrai Aditua
Intandofisa
#19 - 2016-05-08 06:27:15 UTC
You should also know, if you're as clever as you pretend to be, the difference between an expansion and a patch.

If we get chased by zombies, I'm tripping you.
Zetadelta333
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2016-05-08 06:42:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Zetadelta333
Sustrai Aditua wrote:
You should also know, if you're as clever as you pretend to be, the difference between an expansion and a patch.



An expansion is mearly a large patch with a fancy name to gain a footnote in wiki pages. Its still a patch. And again arguing about the semantics of the name of something doesnt address the issue at hand and is just deflecting from the problem brought up.


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you should know how it goes by now, if you got a bug report it and provide evidence if possible. Nothing can be fixed instantly and takes time unless you want faulty patches released that barely fixes anything. CCP were clearly working towards a tight deadline as they had reported on several occasions that they were going to release the update after fanfest and you'd have to be dreaming to expect a fully working update with no bugs for any software or game :/


And hense they should have delayed the patch untill fixing the problems. Things were reported, ccp employs and devs posted saying they know about the issues but that they were going to push the patch live and not delay. And when asked why no response. The citadel issue is a whole nother problem of a modern code thats not compatible with legacy code resulting in a half baked structure that hardly functions as the dream that ccp outlined.
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