EVE General Discussion

ninja "eve is dying" thread. good work OP.

The exact thing that everyone with half a brain cell predicted would happen, in-fighting in the MBC, the attack burning out, hype draining, wallets emptying and people declaring victory on some arbitrary basis.

They said we would be driven from null entirely and not allowed to rebuild. We even allowed them to take the entirety of Deklein without any major opposition. If they had kept up the momentum we'd be out of sov by now. Instead we still own an entire region with barely a sign of the MBC trying to take it. And Fade is being retaken without any collective MBC effort to defend. The only alliances showing up to defend Horde are PL and sometimes TEST.

TL;DR: The entire MBC has fallen apart in an hilariously short time span and we're basically just mopping up the mess they made in the northwest right now.

There you have the very different views of the war and both are correct.

MBC won the short game. What's left of the Empirium playing the long game and will win.

Yup. Funny thing is we've been standing basically on the sidelines this whole time telling them this would happen. Now the entire thing ground to a halt and MBC is declaring victory for reasons.

The Bees pride themselves on knowing this game inside and out. Their vaunted view of themselves won't allow for a bunch of upstarts giving them the heave ho. Obviously, their ace-in-the-hole is longevity. The Bees are certain the upstarts don't have the same impetus as they. They have judged the upstarts' motivation to be momentary and have predicted to themselves it will fade in the glow of immediate success.

All the Bees see themselves as having to do is wait it out. Regroup. Regain. If it means changing their name, then so be it. It's only a name. I'll venture to guess along with that, they're convinced the upstarts are so shallow as to believe even that is sign of having defeated the Bees. This, of course, plays into the Bees' hands. The sooner the attacks cease, the sooner they can set out to regroup and regain.

Like I said when this all broke out:

Only time will tell just who has fell and who's been left behind when you go your way, and I go mine.

CFC shifting the goal posts is one of its favourite past times.

I'd personally like to see the pressure increase back to original levels. You always know a great leader by the bloodletting he makes to shed dead weight.

All that being as it may, what CFC lost it can quickly regain. Money talks, and they have essentially an endless supply of that. I'd go so far as to say, a few of them would mortgage their mother's basements to sell PLEX if there should be a shortfall.

The only hope the aggressors have is to pursue this with intensifying effort until they've stomped the breath out of CFC. This is an "in for the long haul" proposition. CFC has always known this. Their only hope is that the leadership of their nemesis might not.

That's why time will tell. We'll see what the aggressor leadership is about when we see the proof in the putting. (Or, "pudding" as the limies prefer.) Some of the stories I've heard of this coalition lead me to believe they aren't long-range in their motivations or their thinking. Even if they are, the way they've acquired their muscle had them hiring mercenaries, essentially, or adventurers similar to the failed Spanish Revolution. Look how long Generalissimo Fransisco Franco lasted.

Unfortunately for them, unless there's a major shift and reorganization - redirection in this upstart aggressor camp, the Bees will prevail eventually; not without loss, mind you. And, the losses could be such that they are vulnerable to one or two of the more well-established alliances on the sidelines watching this transpire.

If I were a Goonwaffle, they're the ones I'd be worried about...the clean-up crew.

Ah I see. But what about the other alliances in the imperium? Whatever happened to them? They just kinda disappeared from the map.

Odd, at fanfest this year, CCP was for the first time representing the history all alliances from the birth of eve until fanfest 2016 by using algorithmic calculations, and for some strange reason, every single alliance but the CFC/Imperium was showing big variations (corps leaving, joining, inter-alliance dramas, wars, etc), while Imperium/CFC appeared to be completely stable, showing not even minor variations. I mean, it literally showed the fall of all bigger alliances, and even small changes to smaller less known alliances, and again, CFC and now Imperium were completely stable on the data representations.... that is at least on the data results based on algorithms that were used to obtain these results. The closest to the CFC/Imperium in behavior on the data representations was PL, that is worth mentioning.

How exactly is a bunch of isk going to help the Imperium regain (let alone "quickly regain" and/or maintain) multiple regions of fozziesov, or recover the membership they lost?