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Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#61 - 2016-05-03 18:02:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Dom Arkaral
Gahh.. stupid cellphone
Will make proper reply tonight

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Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#62 - 2016-05-03 19:21:11 UTC
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Gahh.. stupid cellphone
Will make proper reply tonight


You have no honer.

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Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#63 - 2016-05-03 19:27:45 UTC
As far as I'm concerned, a 3 minute timer is perfectly reasonable.

As a ganker the idea of holding a freighter bumped for 15 minutes or even more was hilariously ridiculous. It was only done because it was explicitly legal. From my perspective it was a deliberate abuse of a stupid mechanic. The fact that it took this long to change it is surprising.

Bumping isn't only used in HS btw, bumping titans out of alignment is a time honored tradition across the vast reaches of null sec. Don't have a dictor? Just bump him. Oh and cap drain him so he can't jump.

Is a 3 minute timer a great solution? Personally no, I don't think it is. Is it a quick to implement solution? Yes.

We'll have to see exactly what the mechanic is when they do release it, and see how well the gank fleets are able to adapt to the new mechanics. Worst case, they'll have to be more selective of their targets. (not really a bad thing honestly)

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Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#64 - 2016-05-03 22:43:19 UTC
Okayyy here goes the bomb.

Quote:
Sarah Flynt

Can you tell me, how does RFF succeed on such a large scale?

I mean, they only failed 382 contract in 2015, despite completing 139 758?
They also only lost 185 freighter in all areas of space (that's one freighter per 2 days)
Can you tell me how I don't see them crying about CODE. or bumping?

Maybe they take precautions instead of crying rivers to CCP because you guys are idiots.
They use every tool at their disposal to not die to CODE.

If only half of freighter pilots were as precautious.

Your arguments mean nothing if the biggest hauling company in New Eden only failed 0.27% of all their contracts.

Adapt or die

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#65 - 2016-05-03 23:51:50 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
same idiotic crap as usual

Why are you even quoting my post if you don't adress the content. I don't care what your problem with understanding the game mechanics of ganking and bumping is, maybe try to understand how the game works or something.



I'll post different crap when you start posting different crap.

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Sarah Flynt
Red Cross Mercenaries
Silent Infinity
#66 - 2016-05-04 21:34:30 UTC
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Can you tell me, how does RFF succeed on such a large scale?

I mean, they only failed 382 contract in 2015, despite completing 139 758?
They also only lost 185 freighter in all areas of space (that's one freighter per 2 days)
That's only highsec. Black Frog uses jump freighters. For a highly specialised group that "uses every tool at their disposal to not die to CODE." that number is actually quite high.

Dom Arkaral wrote:
Can you tell me how I don't see them crying about CODE. or bumping?
Ever heard of the concept of "alts"?

Dom Arkaral wrote:
Maybe they take precautions instead of crying rivers to CCP because you guys are idiots.
Are you seriously trying to tell us that a highly specialised group should be used as baseline for balancing?
On a further note: insults don't make you look very credible. Consider this discussion to be over from my end if you feel you have to continue to go down that road.

Dom Arkaral wrote:
Okayyy here goes the bomb.
I'm still waiting for it

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Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#67 - 2016-05-05 01:34:19 UTC
Sarah Flynt wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Can you tell me, how does RFF succeed on such a large scale?

I mean, they only failed 382 contract in 2015, despite completing 139 758?
They also only lost 185 freighter in all areas of space (that's one freighter per 2 days)
That's only highsec. Black Frog uses jump freighters. For a highly specialised group that "uses every tool at their disposal to not die to CODE." that number is actually quite high.


185 is the total of their losses (Red Frog, Black Frog and Blue Frog)
otherwise they would have mentionned that 185 is for RFF only.

You're a speshul snowflake ain't ya?

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Nitshe Razvedka
#68 - 2016-05-05 03:19:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Nitshe Razvedka
Enough Dom, you have had your 5cents worth. Move on or you will not leave the thread with your dignity.......Arrow

Listened to enough of your meerd whilst burning your last corps poco's, wished you had, of all the drop kicks, come to def.Straight

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Sarah Flynt
Red Cross Mercenaries
Silent Infinity
#69 - 2016-05-05 09:26:03 UTC
Dom Arkaral wrote:
185 is the total of their losses (Red Frog, Black Frog and Blue Frog)
otherwise they would have mentionned that 185 is for RFF only.
Look, it's really not that hard: Red Frog and Blue Frog are both highsec only and Black Frog only uses jump freighters outside of highsec. As there were no jump freighters reimbursed, where we indeed could not tell where they were lost, all of those T1 freighter losses must have been in highsec as none of their corps use T1 freighters outside of highsec.

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Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#70 - 2016-05-05 12:03:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Dom Arkaral
Nitshe Razvedka wrote:
Enough Dom, you have had your 5cents worth. Move on or you will not leave the thread with your dignity.......Arrow

Listened to enough of your meerd whilst burning your last corps poco's, wished you had, of all the drop kicks, come to def.Straight

Thanks for noticing I never owned any POCOs..
They don't seem viable enough to be worth the trouble

P.s. welcome back to the forums, it was quieter when you weren't here to spout all the "grr CODE. hat CODE." stuff P

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Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#71 - 2016-05-05 12:05:25 UTC
Sarah Flynt wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:
185 is the total of their losses (Red Frog, Black Frog and Blue Frog)
otherwise they would have mentionned that 185 is for RFF only.
Look, it's really not that hard: Red Frog and Blue Frog are both highsec only and Black Frog only uses jump freighters outside of highsec. As there were no jump freighters reimbursed, where we indeed could not tell where they were lost, all of those T1 freighter losses must have been in highsec as none of their corps use T1 freighters outside of highsec.

Who says they use t1 exclusively in HS?
Logic would say so, but there are always more adventurous folks Blink

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Sarah Flynt
Red Cross Mercenaries
Silent Infinity
#72 - 2016-05-05 14:02:50 UTC
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Sarah Flynt wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:
185 is the total of their losses (Red Frog, Black Frog and Blue Frog)
otherwise they would have mentionned that 185 is for RFF only.
Look, it's really not that hard: Red Frog and Blue Frog are both highsec only and Black Frog only uses jump freighters outside of highsec. As there were no jump freighters reimbursed, where we indeed could not tell where they were lost, all of those T1 freighter losses must have been in highsec as none of their corps use T1 freighters outside of highsec.

Who says they use t1 exclusively in HS?
Logic would say so, but there are always more adventurous folks Blink

White Frog Insurance only covers losses to ganks in continuous highsec (no highsec islands, no duels, no wardec losses) and only under certain conditions: https://sites.google.com/site/redfrogfreightmanual/conditions

The statistic you quoted is only about what White Frog Insurance reimbursed, not even about how many freighters they actually lost.

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Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#73 - 2016-05-05 15:11:32 UTC
Sarah Flynt wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Sarah Flynt wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:
185 is the total of their losses (Red Frog, Black Frog and Blue Frog)
otherwise they would have mentionned that 185 is for RFF only.
Look, it's really not that hard: Red Frog and Blue Frog are both highsec only and Black Frog only uses jump freighters outside of highsec. As there were no jump freighters reimbursed, where we indeed could not tell where they were lost, all of those T1 freighter losses must have been in highsec as none of their corps use T1 freighters outside of highsec.

Who says they use t1 exclusively in HS?
Logic would say so, but there are always more adventurous folks Blink

White Frog Insurance only covers losses to ganks in continuous highsec (no highsec islands, no duels, no wardec losses) and only under certain conditions: https://sites.google.com/site/redfrogfreightmanual/conditions

The statistic you quoted is only about what White Frog Insurance reimbursed, not even about how many freighters they actually lost.

My point of them still running efficiently even with CODE. still stands.
There is no ccounter-argument to that, no matter how hard you try.

And since there is nothing left to argue about here, I can confirm once more that CODE. Always Wins Cool

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Sarah Flynt
Red Cross Mercenaries
Silent Infinity
#74 - 2016-05-05 17:18:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Sarah Flynt
Dom Arkaral wrote:
My point of them still running efficiently even with CODE. still stands.
There is no ccounter-argument to that, no matter how hard you try.
So, your point is that only when the biggest and highly specialised hauling group that "uses every tool at their disposal to not die to CODE.", that already had to implement an insurance program due to risen ganking activity (individual haulers don't have that option) and already had to more than double their fees while citing "considerably risen ganking activity" as one of the reasons, losing ~25% of their customers and ~37% contracts issued to them in the process, becomes unprofitable, only then you're going to admit that there might be something wrong.

Good thing CCP doesn't operate like that, otherwise there would be nobody left to adjust the mechanics for as all other haulers would have stopped long before this would have happened.

Dom Arkaral wrote:
And since there is nothing left to argue about here
I agree. There really isn't anything left to discuss with you.

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John E Normus
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#75 - 2016-05-06 01:52:48 UTC
And yet Red Frog is making more isk than ever according to what they've told us at eve-meets in Amsterdam and Germany.

Are they lying to us Sarah?

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Tyyler DURden
Mordechai and Sons Distribution Co.
#76 - 2016-05-06 02:41:57 UTC
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Sarah Flynt wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Sarah Flynt wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:
185 is the total of their losses (Red Frog, Black Frog and Blue Frog)
otherwise they would have mentionned that 185 is for RFF only.
Look, it's really not that hard: Red Frog and Blue Frog are both highsec only and Black Frog only uses jump freighters outside of highsec. As there were no jump freighters reimbursed, where we indeed could not tell where they were lost, all of those T1 freighter losses must have been in highsec as none of their corps use T1 freighters outside of highsec.

Who says they use t1 exclusively in HS?
Logic would say so, but there are always more adventurous folks Blink

White Frog Insurance only covers losses to ganks in continuous highsec (no highsec islands, no duels, no wardec losses) and only under certain conditions: https://sites.google.com/site/redfrogfreightmanual/conditions

The statistic you quoted is only about what White Frog Insurance reimbursed, not even about how many freighters they actually lost.

My point of them still running efficiently even with CODE. still stands.
There is no ccounter-argument to that, no matter how hard you try.

And since there is nothing left to argue about here, I can confirm once more that CODE. Always Wins Cool

I never thought this day would come, but it has. I am in absolute agreement with Dom on this one.
The biggest, most efficient, most non-compliant hauling corporation in eve online with not a new order permit in sight, is still running efficiently despite the fact that code has been dunking freighters in unprecedented numbers in the trade pipes for quite awhile now. There is no counter-argument to that, no matter how hard you try.

Somehow, in some weirdly pyrrhic way, the code is always winning.......

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Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#77 - 2016-05-06 17:47:27 UTC
John E Normus wrote:
And yet Red Frog is making more isk than ever according to what they've told us at eve-meets in Amsterdam and Germany.

Are they lying to us Sarah?


Wait so if I go to Evesterdam I'll get to shake your hand and buy you a drink?

Rabble Rabble Rabble

Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.
John E Normus
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#78 - 2016-05-06 18:33:12 UTC
Tengu Grib wrote:
John E Normus wrote:
And yet Red Frog is making more isk than ever according to what they've told us at eve-meets in Amsterdam and Germany.

Are they lying to us Sarah?


Wait so if I go to Evesterdam I'll get to shake your hand and buy you a drink?


Sure, if you don't mind watching Mildron leg-humping me while he sings softly in my ear...

Lol

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Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#79 - 2016-05-06 18:36:51 UTC
John E Normus wrote:
Tengu Grib wrote:
John E Normus wrote:
And yet Red Frog is making more isk than ever according to what they've told us at eve-meets in Amsterdam and Germany.

Are they lying to us Sarah?


Wait so if I go to Evesterdam I'll get to shake your hand and buy you a drink?


Sure, if you don't mind watching Mildron leg-humping me while he sings softly in my ear...

Lol


Why would I mind that? Lol

Rabble Rabble Rabble

Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.
John E Normus
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#80 - 2016-05-06 19:02:29 UTC
Tengu Grib wrote:
John E Normus wrote:
Tengu Grib wrote:
John E Normus wrote:
And yet Red Frog is making more isk than ever according to what they've told us at eve-meets in Amsterdam and Germany.

Are they lying to us Sarah?


Wait so if I go to Evesterdam I'll get to shake your hand and buy you a drink?


Sure, if you don't mind watching Mildron leg-humping me while he sings softly in my ear...

Lol


Why would I mind that? Lol


LOL, just full disclosure and all that!

Between Ignorance and Wisdom