EVE General Discussion

So I was wondering the other hour ago... I been using a POS to set up in systems that are unoccupied mostly, for shelter and protection and access to the resources in that system. I like the idea that citadels are bigger and even better than POSes, but... they take a while to online... they are huge, they are visible easily, they are expensive (relatively speaking), and they will attract a lot of attention.

So, What to those that do not want such attention? What will be available to us that farm systems solo or in small gangs, that still need defense, and offensive measures? Myself, I love going out to scan and roll for empty wh systems full of anomalies! and Scanning around to see if there is a POS up. If not, don't mind if I make myself at home. Ill suck all that up in a day or a weeks time... Harvest that gas, mine that ore. Blitz those sites! .... Then pack up and leave to the next. Using smaller ships a mobile base... Orca, Carrier... even Deepspace Transports. All I need, with room for a weeks salvage.

With this in mind, there must be others too. that rely on the use of the POS, its easy to setup, and to carry around, for temporary means ofc, even considering all the pain in the ass with the guns and fuel and stront and access passwords for alts... etc. I am wondering CCP, will you make a replacement for the standard POS for us nomads to use... It doenst have to be much but it should deploy no longer than a regular pos, and it should require some kind of input fuel, ... but also come down quick and easy, and pack up tight in my transport... :)

If not, Dropping a citadel to run sites is crazy... that will be the first thing people come for when seen in system. I like that POSes hide among the moons, and are hard to find, for those not savvy with scanners and all.... :) Like, They areally do function in many ways, for several play styles, What is there to replace poses with such intentions in mind?

Agree with the OP.

Just make sure it fits inside a Blockade Runner.



DMC

I don't think that they have forgotten about you types. I think the main problem is what can everyone that plays this game do with the tools they introduce.

Imagine you have something that has a shield around it like a pos, can fit in a blockade runner, and is easily deployable. Can you see any place in nullsec that something like that would be used? That would be a massive boost to safety for any attacking enemy. You would also be able to carry one in any capital ship now since they all have a fleet hanger. Every carrier and dread could have their own little bubble of safety. What if a mission flipper pokes the wrong bear and now has hostiles in system trying to kill him? He can just drop his safety bubble and ride out his timer, or maybe he had a safety bubble predropped he can just hide away in. Something that may be great for one part of space could greatly imbalance other parts.

Currently CCP wants people to have a connection to the items they deploy in space. They want you to put your assets at risk for the reward you are collecting. Running and hiding into a pos shield when something pops up on dscan is not putting your assets at risk. Having a pos tower that is going to be under a reinforcement timer for at least a day is not fun or engaging to the people hunting you.

They have introduced the mobile depot, mobile scan inhibitor, and possibly some other devices I can't remember to assist in the gypsy lifestyle. I am not saying your play style is wrong or anything, but I don't think it is the direction CCP wants its players to go. I think CCP feels parts of the game are too safe at the moment and are looking to change that.

KL

Removed an off topic post.

So far they are anything but.
See here how vulnerable those structures really are.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=480120&find=unread

Bottom line, a bunch of containers and ships inside a pos field are easier to protect and safer in case the pos is reinforced compared to a citadel.

An Orca is the ship you are looking for - it just takes 2...

I agree with the OP. CCP said that the new structures were going to be a replacement for the functionality of POSes. But, they miss on replacing the nomadic lifestyle functionality.

A new structure that really would replace the POS would have to be something you can dock at, refine at, build at do research at, and store stuff. It needs to take just a few hours to put up and take down, and for balance it should be vulnerable during that time. An Orca is not that, a mobile depot is not that, and a medium citadel is to large and clunky (read, slow to put up and take down).

One function I was hoping would come with citadels is the "mobile market". Think of a large citadel, one that supports a market, that you take with you and go from incursion site to incursion site. This is not really viable with the current Citadel due to the one week decommissioning time.

I support this idea, as for the mobile Depot it is a bit of a joke, I used 3,900m3 cans whichh I seeded around the system and the ships had to run around with a mobile depot in it, no point putting them up for any length of time, all you were doing is giving the location of your safe spots away, so I would driop, refit then take them down again. The annoyance of not being to put a packaged one in a can still grates with me, stupid stupid stupid...

Unfortunately, Your style of game play (and mine) is dying.

Once POS are phased out, It will begin sooner than most people think, any Nomadic, Solo and small group play styles will be pushed further down the priority ladder.

From what I can tell by the end of summer processing ore and gas at a POS will either stop or become unprofitable - in the Autumn the same will apply to production. Then you are forced into a different play style.

Solo players and Small group don't have the manpower to utilize the game mechanics of Citadels and hoping that something will be create replace the existing functionality of towers is wishful thinking

It has already been stated by CCP that the medium Citadel is intended to be a replacement for the solo players tower-pos the trouble is as a replacement it sucks!

Hate to burst your bubble.... but the Medium Citadel is the "smaller stuff" to support smaller corps - they mention it once or twice in each getting back to structure Dev blog and the CSM notes links gives a bullet pointed list of what they replace

Though I don't know what happened to their idea (as seen in the csm notes) that Medium Citadels should be deployed in "15 minutes and offer resistance against most kind of assaults including capital ships" - My negative guess is not enough of an ISK sink