Player Features and Ideas Discussion

explain to me how making us buy skins rather than make them or how advertising fking NES items inside the stations helps anyone?

how do dailies help for that matter? if newbros need an extra 10ksp a day then give them an extra 10ksp a day but don't add grind to sp
also this game does not favor anyone from a sp standpoint beyond the first month.

does it favor player skill and connections? yes but you can max out a ship in less than 3M sp

If it gets more people into the game and you don't personally have to pay more cash, why the hell would you care?

Just because a little of something is good doesn't automatically mean a lot is great. Companies don't follow a path to the extreme conclusion. If that were the case CCP would have completely gotten rid of the ability to jump, instead of just implementing jump fatigue. The game needs balance, and not implementing features to attract new players out of some unfounded fear of it becoming hello kitty online is ridiculously shortsighted.

By that you mean more RL rich new players because other new players without a limitless credit card cannot afford this shameless money grab and are not better off than before.

Furthermore, what I also care about is the fact that most of this kind of new players has no clue how to play EVE, they turn into nothing more than useless garbage victims instead of properly contributing members of the community because they think that their shiny things should be superior because they paid more for it. And these people also turn into something awful that demands and insists on things like arenas because otherwise EVE is too hard for them. This kind of player is neither needed nor welcome in EVE because the only thing they can do is make the game worse. However, exactly this kind of rich, don't-give-a-damn people is what SP trading is tailored for.

If you like to shoot dumb victims in order to pad your killboard, that's your choice. I rather have opponents that challenge me and that make a loss to or victory against them feel like an accomplishment, not like a turkey shooting. This kind of new players absolutely affects me because it reduces the number of challenging players to play with as well as creates these massive blobs of unfightable messiness that require you to call the entire universe together in order to have a chance -- and then they just collapse and run around screaming like little goofs.

Your "EVE is/was/has been dying" argument is invalid, as EVE has not been in any danger of dying over the last decade despite all the hardship that new players needed to endure. I myself have been in their shoes and I have had to adapt in order to make the most out of EVE. You, however, seem to belong to a category of players who exactly cannot adapt and need the game adapt around them instead.
While I may seem as an old man to you (who has been having a great time in EVE with all the ups and downs it offers and all the experiences it gives as well as actually adaptation in the face of skill shortcomings in order to still participate in corp/alliance activities), you are the wimp trying to run his bicycle over a makeshift hardpaper ramp, run it into the ground, wreck the bicycle, break a bone and then need mommy to clean the mess up after you. That is exactly the kind of player SP trading is tailored to. Now put your tinfoil hat back on or else you gonna hurt your little head the next time you run over that ramp.

What brings me back to the topic that this change, too, would be going to only benefit RL rich people who could afford to run 3 chars per client and the normal people would be limited to 1 because they have no Gold Visa.

Blizzard EA Activiition Treyarch Nexon

should i continue?

Those companies don't make virtually all their revenue from a single product.



Let's say you play 10 hours/week. That's $1.12/hr. Find me another form of entertainment that costs $1.12/hr. Hell, people pay $50 to go golfing for 4 hours.

If you can't afford $1.12/hr for a luxury (which is what any video game is), get offline and find a better job.

I dare you to say that to a Pole or an Argintinian (yeah i cant spell for **** we know).

I lived on minimum wage for years. You know how many video games I played? None. Luxury items are just that, a luxury. My free time was spent job hunting, studying and training to get a job paying what I wanted. Hell, I moved 3,000 miles away from my home on my own just to get a better paying job.



I'm against OPs idea. I mentioned the cost of EVE in response to someone claiming three accounts was expensive.

OP's original idea is fundamentally changing a core concept of how people play the game. One thing would happen. People would simply stop using alts, decreasing the economic output in EVE (not a great thing). The average EVE player has multiple accounts. Paying for three accounts is reasonable, paying for nine is not. Where the 'reasonable-ness' line is drawn is something we can debate, of course.



No one is forcing you do do dailies. I will probably never sign in simply to do them. Extra SP doesn't matter to me at this point. If it matters to a newbie to the point they grind dailies, but injectors, etc. great. That doesn't affect me at all.

I have talked to more than a few people in other games who refused to even start EVE because they know of the SP system and think "there's no way I could catch up." If CCP's actions help dispel some of that stigma, I see it as a good thing, provided it doesn't go too far (which their actions so far don't, IMO). How far is too far? That's subjective, of course.

Oh, and I'd probably go from 3 accounts down to 1. I have three to make some of my money making processes more profitable. But without those alts those processes would be less profitable....so I'd probably just stop all accounts except for my main.

Yeah, this is just a horrible idea.