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Help with scanning in wormholes

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Richard Reagan
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2016-05-02 19:04:30 UTC
Hello everyone, I have a small question about scanning: I've scanned 2 wh systems today and I found nothing (I mean no ruins or some signatures WITHOUT sleepers or other NPCs). What am I doing wrong?
Netan MalDoran
Hail To The King
The Silent Syndicate
#2 - 2016-05-02 20:16:56 UTC
Restate your question, cause at the moment, its gibberish.

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Richard Reagan
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2016-05-02 21:47:12 UTC
Netan MalDoran wrote:
Restate your question, cause at the moment, its gibberish.

I apologize for that . I am a newbie and english is not my native language. I'll try again. Everytime when I go to different wormholes and scan for artifacts (for ruins etc) I see arfifacts surrounded by sleepers or other NPCs. Can I actually find artifacts that are not guarded by NPCs in wormholes?
Erin Oswell
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services
WiNGSPAN Delivery Network
#4 - 2016-05-02 23:01:19 UTC
I get the gist of what you mean just fine, don't worry!

It really depends on what class of wormhole you are scanning in but sometimes it really is down to nothing more than bad luck. I've been playing Eve a while now and can easily scan down several wormholes in a row of the right type, some even with 20+ sigs in them only to find nothing. Exploration is highly competitive so it makes sites that bit harder to find and you also have to catch the loot fairy in a good mood.

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Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#5 - 2016-05-02 23:02:37 UTC
Richard Reagan wrote:
Everytime when I go to different wormholes and scan for artifacts (for ruins etc) I see arfifacts surrounded by sleepers or other NPCs. Can I actually find artifacts that are not guarded by NPCs in wormholes?


Pirate Data and Relic sites can spawn in C1-3 wormholes, however sleeper sites can also spawn. Any data/relic site found in a C4-6 will be a sleeper site.

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Netan MalDoran
Hail To The King
The Silent Syndicate
#6 - 2016-05-02 23:08:52 UTC
Mephiztopheleze wrote:
Richard Reagan wrote:
Everytime when I go to different wormholes and scan for artifacts (for ruins etc) I see arfifacts surrounded by sleepers or other NPCs. Can I actually find artifacts that are not guarded by NPCs in wormholes?


Pirate Data and Relic sites can spawn in C1-3 wormholes, however sleeper sites can also spawn. Any data/relic site found in a C4-6 will be a sleeper site.


This right here, I will note that the Pirate sites are rarer than the sleeper sites.
Also the pirate sites are nullsec sites, so definitely be well skilled to complete them, but they are worth it, as they can net you quite a bit of isk!
The sleeper sites dont have much hacking loot, however most of the isk is made by killing the sleepers and looting/salvaging them.

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Erin Oswell
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services
WiNGSPAN Delivery Network
#7 - 2016-05-02 23:20:45 UTC
To solo that you'll need a well fit BS/BC though, prefferably a T2 shield fit. It's also doable in a well fit Vexor, but might be a touch slow.

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Dani Gallar
Doomheim
#8 - 2016-05-02 23:31:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Dani Gallar
Richard Reagan wrote:
Hello everyone, I have a small question about scanning: I've scanned 2 wh systems today and I found nothing (I mean no ruins or some signatures WITHOUT sleepers or other NPCs). What am I doing wrong?


You are not doing anything wrong at all. The issue is that there's loads of players like me who explore in cheap non-combat frigates that can only complete the Pirate Data/Relic sites you are looking for. Competition for those sites are fierce but if you keep exploring you will sooner or later find sites to complete.

Remember that you can always attempt using the D-scan to find out if there are other explorers present in the system and if there are you might be better of just leaving and try out the next wormhole you have scanned down instead. Since I'm still quite new this part might be bad advice but that's how I work. It might take several tries before you find a system that haven“t been cleaned out.
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2016-05-03 00:23:56 UTC
most wormholes with a high sec exit are cherry picked. You may need to go deeper into UK space ( Unknown Space ).

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Netan MalDoran
Hail To The King
The Silent Syndicate
#10 - 2016-05-03 18:35:10 UTC
ergherhdfgh wrote:
most wormholes with a high sec exit are cherry picked. You may need to go deeper into UK space ( Unknown Space ).


Dive into Britainnnn! XDDD

But yes, go multiple WH's in and once you go in deep, you wont see as many people and your pickings will get better. You can choose to BM your way though to backtrack back to highsec, or to just plough through until you find another hisec exit.

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Imustbecomfused
Illicit Expo
#11 - 2016-05-04 18:00:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Imustbecomfused
Imagine the wh system like a rotating carousel. What ... I do when looking for stuff, or wh system particular, is get into thera... and from there, scout out till im about 4-6 connections deep and usually, i see nothing but sites and stuff...

Although, wh space is full of sleepers, most of the sites that spawn in there will be guarded by sleepers. Especially the good sites! If you are seeking that kind of solo, nomadic lifestyle or gameplay in eve, I support that and would suggest you check out tech three ships. Its a bit of an investment... but they tank like no other, and can, slowly, take on larger sites like class 3 and class 4 sites when seasoned with skills and training.

In the mean time, get a stratios, and pvp fit it, but make it so it can run your sites and stick to your c2 and c3 sites :) I think a well tanked battlecruiser is capable of completing up to class 3 anoms... but if you get a buddy to help you, thats twice as fast, twice as much dps... twice as much tank. etc. :)

When you scan, remember since recent changes to mechanics of this system, ... no sig will appear farther than 4 or 5 au from any given celestial. Thus, you can set your probes always, to 8 au, overlap formation, and center on the celestial, and scan.... everytime. then when you get a red DOT, you can chase the sig from there... :) What this means is your probes have ea diameter of 4 au, so if you set up a 8 au overlap, the center overlap area will be approximately 4au in diameter... Never mind the entire probe dia, its the overlapped center area that you are mostly concerned with here. I can get results scanned usually in 3 scans, sometimes 4 for relic or data, even 5 scans in class 5 or 6 whs. :)

When you get 100% on that sig, and want to scan the next red dot that is 4 au from given celestial, start your probes at 4 au scan... :)

When you are done with all the red dots in the area, move to the next celestial cluster, and set up 8 au, and work to chase your sigs to 100%

Typically what I do is like this

initial scan, 8 au - 2nd scan 2 au - 3rd scan 1 au - usually i have them at one hundred percent there.
second sig in the cluster will be a red dot, so then...
1st scan 4 au - 2nd scan 1 au - 3rd scan 0.5 au

Then I will move to the next cluster of results that seem centered on a given celestial.

What Im doing is skipping a scan range. but.. the trick is... fit two range finders, one pinpoint upgrade to your ship, use sisters probes, use gravity capacity rigs, tech ones preferably, and...

RECENTER your probes twice on the red dot when you skip a scan range... so you need t ozoom in again and make sure hte red dot in in the center probe cube...

I scan twice as fast now, I rarely miss a sig. Did I mention its really fast?

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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2016-05-04 23:21:49 UTC
IDK if it is still the case but I used to live in a wormhole years ago. Every day I'd have to scan the high sec exit down and it was almost always about 3 jumps from the previous day's exit hole.

If you have a scanning alt, like many wormholers do, then you can just go to the entrance system and start scanning every system within 3 jumps. If that does not work open up the search to 4 jumps from the last known hole.

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Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2016-05-05 11:32:56 UTC
Netan MalDoran wrote:
Restate your question, cause at the moment, its gibberish.


I understood the guy perfectly. Maybe if you don't understand the question, politely ask him to write it again in a simpler way for your simple brain to understand it better instead of calling it gibberish.