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Those and for me this.

I'm having LK conversation flashbacks...

Not belittling your issue, just not believing it.

So across 7 accounts this is going to impact you up to 250 million per account, which means you are saying you jump each account about 278 times each a year, or that you personally make just under 2000 clone jumps per year, which means at least half the time you aren't using your +5s anyway, since you are only spending not much more than 1 day at a time in them.

The math just seems very implausible, however you can either go find a Citadrl that offers a free service, or build your own once prices settle down and it will have 0 impact on your play.

Adapt or die, but crying with exaggerated figures just looks pathetic.

I feel compelled to respond.

This is also a bit silly.....

Firstly, the change was discussed - see here https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=471995

You might notice that the cost was going to be 5m each time - I wonder what you would think about that?

Secondly, I've flown around HS with +5s in for years and years - that's the only way to get the investment back - occasional visits to the clone is not worth it; although it might be convenient now and again if you're not playing for days.

Just like the ridiculously low Sales/Broker taxes we've had for years and years; the clone fees are now being addressed.

The sandbox has indeed had a few rules changed - so what, adapt.

In the few days since the patch - I suspect I've spent at least 9m on this change.

You jumped every single day with each of seven accounts for an entire year? How many people fall into that category, do you think? I imagine they might count in the dozens, maybe.

If you learned how to not get podded in HS, you wouldn't have to do this, and you would get faster training time, given you could stay in your +5s all the time.

And I never made any claims about others and their frequency of JC use, except to suppose that the richest players probably have multiple alts per account and will incur less JC use fees than single character accounts. Please state if you believe otherwise.

I would have NEVER purchased or researched into +5 implants if per use JC fees were on the table. Per use JC fees are a pretty big change.

I consider 1B a lot to lose. Never fly what you cannot afford to lose, and I would prefer not to lose 1B. Yes it is more than possible to avoid being podded in even 0.5 space, but it is also nearly impossible to avoid it if someone makes it a point to pod you.

The irony is you say this as someone running 7 accounts, supposedly logging into all seven daily. You should be at the upper end of being able to earn ISK.

Adapt, mate. You're the only one here who is complaining. Only having to pay 900k/jump to use an NPC station is pretty reasonable. Change with the times. Don't use NPC stations. Use a citadel. Stop complaining and do something about it.

One bil over the course of an entire year is a trivial cost, especially for a vet like you with seven accounts. But again, if you don't like it, good news! There are ways around it! Actually USE your +5s in HS. How on earth do you keep getting podded in HS anyway? I can send you a pod saver tab layout, since you apparently need one. There's basically one fit for one ship in the game that can lose a pod in HS, and that assumes you died in the first place. You have seven accounts. I assume you use scouts, yeah?

Undock in your +5 clone, and learn how to pay attention when PvE-ing in HS.

You sure about that?

You having +5s instead of +3s plugged-in 1/2 the time you're playing (assuming you JC daily, as you claim) gives you roughly 750k more skill points. That cost to you (using your own numbers) is 250k isk annually. You JC-ing to use your +5s is choosing to pay 250k isk for roughly 750k skillpoints more in a year.

Conversely, you buying a single skill injector is choosing to pay 620 million ISK for 300-400k more skill points.

Tell me again how skill injectors are more financially viable for you than paying JC fees? You already own the +5s. That's a sunk cost. From an accounting point of view, please treat it as such if you want us to take your numbers seriously.

And again the numbers that I am discussing is not K, but M. Quite a difference between thousand and millions.

And I am not going to be buying extractors as they are too expensive as well given that my income is relatively fixed.

D*mn, just take my statements at face value vs attacking whether or not I really incurred these expenses or whether or not I am impacted at all. The issue is the recurring fee and its impact. I have stated the impact upon me, it is what it is. I have stated that I believe the language to not support the implementation methodology. I have stated that I believe the impact to be not beneficial to the game and particularly to me. I have stated a potential solution (assuming that per use JC fees are not recinded) of allowing the sale of JCs and potential repurposing of SPs spent. I would argue that not having JC per-use fees would be a better overall, particularly for players without a ton of alts.

Gosh yall just cannot see the forest for the trees. This is bad for players. It devalues and restricts access to existing unsaleable resources. It financially penalizes players who wish to be less than specialized, those with multiple single role alts are totally unaffected. How is doing this beneficial? Why are the apologizing for CCP's less than stellar language and choices in this area?

We can see the forest for the trees just fine.

CCP wanted to provide some room for players to offer competitive services to other players and for that to happen, the cost of NPC jump clone services needed to rise.

That's the forest.

Your trees issue, the potential impact on you individually doesn't override what is good overall for CCPs strategy. By your own admission, it's had 0 ISK impact so far and since you claim to use all 7 accounts virtually daily (in order to be jumping so much) they can't all be pvping, so they must also be earning you ISK unless you are just sitting around socialising on 7 different characters.

So you've already offset the cost of this by whatever ISK you've earned and you have the same opportunity we all have to make the cost be exactly 0, by finding a 0 fee Citadel or building one yourself.