Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I started in June 03, I come and go. I have seen many corpmates and rl friends quit and read the forums every step of the way. I wont give you all my account details or post with an 03 character, but CCP can see my account details and hey, ban me if I am lying. How is making a suggestion a troll?

Show me anything beyond your opinion that suggests what you're saying would improve player retention and we can talk.

I've got one kill in high sec in 9 years of Eve (in self defense during my first war dec) and even I think your proposal is terrible.

Seconded.

I've been playing since 2011 and while it is rare that people I went after message me it has happened, you would be surprised that people would actually say

Eve is a niche game, that risk makes it sandbox and validates the niche, you remove that risk you kill the niche and outside of that niche it's not a good game at all.

I hope the shareholders see that and decide to go for long term not 1 year plan to milk this game and then watch it die.

I will not comment on the OP, but I do want to address this flat out lie that has now been told so often that it is believed to be the truth.


CCP has NEVER stated that being killed has a positive affect on player retention. In fact the post you linked by CCP Rise (quoted above so others dol not have to follow the link to read it) sums up the content of the video you linked as well. The strongest factors for players staying in the game are social activities and social connections, as CCP Rise points out those activities and connections are not tied to any specific game play style.

That players leave this game because of non-consensual PvP activity is not open for debate, it is a fact. All that is left for debate is whether those players leaving is good or bad for the game, but even then CCP makes that decision.

Looking back over the last 5 years or so and the changes that have come to the game making ganking harder, many blame the whining carebears, I see it a different way. In all of those cases ganking and the players that were leaving the game as a result of it were becoming a threat to CCP's cash flow and to protect that cash flow CCP adjusted the game making ganking harder. A simple economic decision that I fully expect will be made many times in the future of EvE because it is good to have principals and to stick to them. However when those principals start to threaten the very survival of the company then it is wise to re-assess those principals and how they are applied to the game you provide to your customers.

No they didn't and they likely can't know unless they did a blind trial like they did for Opportunities. But they did say there is a positive correlation between getting exploded during the trial and staying with the game.

Correlation does not prove causation, but this observations that more explosions=more subscribers certainly fits that with idea that players that tryout Eve are more engaged by a spaceship fight than by silently mining in a highsec belt for two weeks before uninstalling. CCP Rise's statement that walling new players off from the greater sandbox universe is not what they want to do makes perfect sense.

You over-think it. CCP has confirmed many times that non-consensual PvP is intended game play. Nerfs accumulate because highsec aggressors are willing and motivated to adapt and get better at using the rules to their advantage, while generally carebears like to bleat loudly about how unfair things are and will not adapt to anything that requires them to take their eyes of Netflix. The rates of ganking are probably only marginally affected by ganking nerfs. Sure, the rules of the game alter the effort/risk/profitability of the activity, but if you play the game as a criminal or pirate or wardeccer, you are not going to stop if CCP makes a slight nerf here or there. You are still going to go out and non-consensuallly explode players in highsec even if your target selection is forced to change by some nerf, and given that carebears usually respond to safety by packing even more loot into their ships, it sort of balances out long-term.

Balance nerfs aside, when CCP comes in with a new feature or mechanic, they tend to be much truer to the non-consensual design of the game. Citadels are an excellent example of this as they have removed the wardec loophole and highsec residents are now forced to defend their space stations against non-consensual attack instead of folding up shop and hiding in a station. As to your theory, the removal of highsec AWOXing was the only clear cut case I can see where you can argue CCP removed non-consensual PvP for the sake of the bottom line, and this is because they mistakenly though that it would increase number of new players getting into the social environment of a highsec corp and as we discussed before, player interactions (like ganking, wardecs and even being in a terrible highsec corp) keep people in the game.

There is no accountant calculating on the back of an envelope how much increased cash flow buffing EHP or reducing CONCORD response time would make for CCP. Any consideration to those metrics are done several layers abstract perhaps looking at population numbers and overall playing behaviour. And given CCP's recent rekindled love of player-driven content, I expect more of that non-consensual gameplay, not more safety, finding its way to highsec in the near future.

I literally can't wait to explode me some drilling platforms.

i hope they go with the idea of making them spawn belts for moon goo

this will force a lot of corps to hire outside industry alliance to do a job they see as beneath them driving player interaction along with the ppl who will not only gank the miners fight over the belts and fight over the stations.

so many levels of content with just one bit of game design ^.^

its things like this that restore my faiith a little in ccp (god i hope they go through with it)

(This post was edited lots when i realised FoxFire was not the op)


Non-consensual pvp is why many of us play. Im prey and predator to various players, but no matter which side im on, this is why i play. Its challenging, its fun, its rewarding.

You joined a game centred around the core principal that anyone is a target at anytime. If you dont like that or don't understand it then you are just playing the wrong game. Its not a terrible thing, it's a pretty hardcore and a niche game. Its not for everyone. What is terrible though is pushing the bull **** the OP is and whining that a game they dont have to play should be tailored to their playstyle.

Non-consensual pvp defines eve, its critical to how the game works. Devs say it, players say it, and the less hardcore the game becomes, the faster it loses subs.

Again with the lies about getting exploded being good for player retention.
Please prove your assertion by posting something, anything where any person that works for CCP or has worked for CCP(past tense) has ever clearly stated that being exploded is a positive for player retention.

The linked post obviously does not.
The linked video only states that being exploded is not a significant factor in player retention and that is a knife that cuts both ways. It means that being exploded is not a significant factor in players leaving, it also means that it is not a significant factor in players staying in the game.

So how about it Black Pedro, got that link you can post up to prove your assumptions? Something other than the two that have been posted here already because neither of them prove your assumptions.