Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You have really played for 13 years? Why would CCP decide now, after all this time, to throw the fundamental design of the game out? Isn't it a bit late for that?

It is. One player is the prey and one player the predator. I feel pretty good when I gain some resources in the shared universe by outplaying another player and taking their stuff. Who are you to tell me that I should not take satisfaction in outmaneuvering another player in a PvP game?

It does? CCP told us that more new players seem to stay with the game if they are preyed upon during the trial.

Certainly, making it impossible to prey on other player would push other players out of the game who play to be predators. Why are you so sure that your idea wouldn't cause a net loss of players when the predators leave?

So why are you proposing to make PvP in highsec impossible? And since PvP is so important as you say, why not propose to make highsec safe and remove all rewards except a special PvE currency there that can only be used to by cosmetic items and thus not affect the real economy of New Eden. At least that proposal might not have the obvious side-effect of destroying the entire player-driven economy of New Eden.

I don't. It would completely destroy the economy. This change would additionally completely gut the fundamental game design and game play of Eve Online.

I give it my most vehement -1 ever.

I linked you the presentation. You don't even have to watch all of it as CCP Rise covers the point in the first few minutes. He also addressed this last year on these forums.

Of course it is. CCP has confirmed that ganking and bumping is intended gameplay many times.

I don't know why you do not consider players flying a mining ship or a hauler not to be real players. Granted, they tend not to do much, but there is a real human being making decisions behind the keyboard that determines whether they will win or lose an encounter with an aggressor. Do you consider exploding a bait Procurer to be real PvP while a pilot who gets ganked while mining with the same ship not to be PvP? Forgive me, but this eBushido code many players cling to always confuses me as to what is "real" PvP and what is not.

I guess "real" PvP is like pornography - you'll know it when you see it.

I think the problem is just that you may be playing the wrong game.

Of course I am posting with an alt, well of sorts. I have 5 accounts. I made no demand, I made a suggestion. But in typical EVE fashion, the forum warriors misquote, misread, misinterpret and so on. I think my suggestion would increase and improve pvp btw.

Also BP, you are not wrong, nor entirely correct as CCP's stance on mechanics has changed over the years. Yes currently they say its an intended mechanic, but a decade ago they said its an offense that would result in infractions.

You can't increase and improve pvp by flat out removing it from a significant portion of the game, even if you do bring in a 'kill your alt for points' system you've clearly cribbed from WoW.

What does CCP's stance on things a decade ago have to do with anything? They used t say remote doomsdays were fine and there would only ever be a handful of titans in the game, and look how that turned out.

Bring back shooting AOE doomsdays through a cyno.

HS (and a decent chunk of LS) is already nearly risk free. I have two main setups personally (as someone who doesn't PvP that often). HS missioning setups, where assuming I'm watching local and d-scanning, there is roughly no chance I will be ganked. It's not that hard to see combat probes and bug out.

I also have a LS setup for industry. It's pretty easy to find a pocket with virtually no one online and active in LS. Anyone paying attention to local, d-scanning and looking up names of other players (you have pirates little helper up all the time, right?) will have a very, very tough time getting ganked.

Well I have been playing this long (with breaks) but you didn't let me down. This is the response that is expected from the Eve forum community. I was merely making a suggestion, gankers, bumpers, etc. do not effect me but have caused many to leave. But do continue with your insults. I will laugh a little when this game dies because of people like you who belittle anyone for trying to make suggestions.

Some people need that risk free environment and regardless of what the forum warriors state, the game has lost a huge player base over it. I simply suggested giving them that and then making more incentives for pvp in low and null. CCP is trying to rework its new player nonsense as a way to retain people, but I don't think that is their problem. But really, I knew better than to make a post on Eve forum. 9/10 people here are trolls and blowhards.

I hear what you're saying, but still disagree. EVE was designed to attract a specific playerbase. If you try to be everything to everyone, you end up pleasing no one. I would be very curious what your facts/sources are behind your claim that ganking causes players to leave the game, beyond mere personal opinions.

I do agree, however that there are a lot of trolls. Someone who claims to have played this game for 13 years saying HS space should be 100% risk free? I DO smell a troll....

So CCP should throw what makes EVE, EVE out the window for some extra cash? WoW in space?