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Lack of new content for 0.5 to 1.0 space

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kage1982
Forks are for Fat Girls
#1 - 2016-05-02 14:24:32 UTC
Having tried getting a response for CCP on Facebook about this issue with no reply ive decided to use the forum to see if we can get some explanation instead.

I have noted that the past releases and changes to the game offer very little in the way of catering for PVE players. The Expansions seem to be dominated by changes to 0.0 space, which sadly is not an area of interest to me in the game. At this point id like to state that im not anti PVP and if that's part of the game that you love then that's your thing and im glad you enjoy it. Fighting other players in physical terms is not something that interests me in a great deal and i much prefer my fights to be on the market. So before we have the usual jibes of "care-bear" and "you should play in low sec" and not forgetting "its all about PVP so do it or leave " Please don't waste your time and just consider that others enjoy the game in their way as you do in yours. Insults will not gain you a response and quite frankly will just be ignored.

To the matter at hand. I have noticed that the recent content of expansions seems to lean heavy towards 0.0 warfare and there is very little content for High security players. Solo gamers exist, some do not wish to play with others all the time, and other s just outright like to play alone. Ive been playing since 2007 and ive lost count on how many times ive been sent to rescue a damsel, recover lost reports and investigate why convoys keep getting killed (spoiler alert - it was the drones who knew eh) To be frank i like missions but the same thing over and over is rather dull. If the Damsel keeps running back to that guy its her own fault, If the convoy gets nuked by drones they should consider another rout and lets face it if your reports keep getting stolen invest ina dam safe man!

High security space player pay a subscription in real money (im paying monthly 10 quid). This pays the wages of CCP staff and costs etc. (why else make a game if your not wanting money eh). The majority of high security space players don't make ISK in game and play via plex bought in game for game money aka not real cash.
So from what i see im paying real money to play a game and the developers seem to not wnat to update the content that i use, instead they seem to endlessly update the content of players who make enough in game ISK to not have to pay a penny in real money. This obviously is not the case for all but a large amount of the "SOV" players seem to brag about it hence me getting slightly miffed.

So in short i would like to ask CCP the following

1. when will you get round to replacing the over used high security missions?
2. why are players who pay you nothing getting more content than subscribers?
3. what plans do you have to update content for players in high security space who fly solo?

I appreciate your time and efforts thus far and do love the game so no grudge is held here and i ask with the most sincere of good intention and need for information.

Cheers
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#2 - 2016-05-02 14:26:59 UTC
lol

@lunettelulu7
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3 - 2016-05-02 14:40:39 UTC
gr8b8m8ir8it8/8

Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Commissar Kate
Kesukka
#4 - 2016-05-02 14:55:55 UTC
First of all everyone gets the same amount of content whether they pay real world money or ISK.

And yes Eve PvE/missions are absolutely atrocious and they could be improved.

As for new content in 0.5 - 1.0 space CCP just added citadels, I'd hardly call that lack of content unless you are specifically looking new missions/PvE opportunities which looks like what you want.

-k8

My Fanclub
kage1982
Forks are for Fat Girls
#5 - 2016-05-02 15:02:14 UTC
Commissar Kate wrote:
First of all everyone gets the same amount of content whether they pay real world money or ISK.

And yes Eve PvE/missions are absolutely atrocious and they could be improved.

As for new content in 0.5 - 1.0 space CCP just added citadels, I'd hardly call that lack of content unless you are specifically looking new missions/PvE opportunities which looks like what you want.



Thanks for that :)

Citadels certainly do look nice, not something a solo pilot could manage alone though but credit where credits due they do certainly look lovely.
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2016-05-02 15:04:24 UTC
I should also point out that every PLEX in game was bought with 20$ by somebody at some point.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#7 - 2016-05-02 15:05:31 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
I will be short and sweet about this.

- Any update that enhances player on player warfare also has an effect on the market.

- If you keep doing the same thing over and over again, yes, you will begin to find it boring and monotonous. Granted, EVE missions do leave a lot to be desired from the onset... but you DO have other options. I think the larger issue here is that you are unwilling to break from your comfort zone and do other things to break up the monotony.
Hell... even PvPers can get bored doing certain types of PvP.

- You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of PLEX.
Someone has to buy PLEX with actual hard cash before it appears in the game. They are not generated randomly or by the market.
Basically... someone is paying for someone else's subscription in exchange for in-game ISK.
CCP make more money off of PLEX than an actual subscription too (because it costs more RL money).

- It's a Sandbox. Blah, blah, blah... you have heard it all by now. So let me simply emphasize a single point; the content are the players in the Sandbox. Everything else is merely a tool to facilitate or fund player interaction. And you can't really escape that no matter how hard you try to hide in your "lalala... my game, I play my way, lalalala" bubble.

How did you Veterans start?
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#8 - 2016-05-02 15:10:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
I want to pick up my monitor and hurl it every time one of these "high sec is pve space" people post. There is no such thing as PVE space and PVP space. There is New Eden, where pve and pvp go hand in hand, even in high sec.

The fact that the OP prefers to play solo and 'has no interest' playing outside of the safety of high sec does not change any of the above.
Maker Atavuli
Atavuli Exploration Society
#9 - 2016-05-02 15:16:13 UTC
kage1982 wrote:
Having tried getting a response for CCP on Facebook about this issue with no reply ive decided to use the forum to see if we can get some explanation instead.

I have noted that the past releases and changes to the game offer very little in the way of catering for PVE players. The Expansions seem to be dominated by changes to 0.0 space, which sadly is not an area of interest to me in the game. At this point id like to state that im not anti PVP and if that's part of the game that you love then that's your thing and im glad you enjoy it. Fighting other players in physical terms is not something that interests me in a great deal and i much prefer my fights to be on the market. So before we have the usual jibes of "care-bear" and "you should play in low sec" and not forgetting "its all about PVP so do it or leave " Please don't waste your time and just consider that others enjoy the game in their way as you do in yours. Insults will not gain you a response and quite frankly will just be ignored.

To the matter at hand. I have noticed that the recent content of expansions seems to lean heavy towards 0.0 warfare and there is very little content for High security players. Solo gamers exist, some do not wish to play with others all the time, and other s just outright like to play alone. Ive been playing since 2007 and ive lost count on how many times ive been sent to rescue a damsel, recover lost reports and investigate why convoys keep getting killed (spoiler alert - it was the drones who knew eh) To be frank i like missions but the same thing over and over is rather dull. If the Damsel keeps running back to that guy its her own fault, If the convoy gets nuked by drones they should consider another rout and lets face it if your reports keep getting stolen invest ina dam safe man!

High security space player pay a subscription in real money (im paying monthly 10 quid). This pays the wages of CCP staff and costs etc. (why else make a game if your not wanting money eh). The majority of high security space players don't make ISK in game and play via plex bought in game for game money aka not real cash.
So from what i see im paying real money to play a game and the developers seem to not wnat to update the content that i use, instead they seem to endlessly update the content of players who make enough in game ISK to not have to pay a penny in real money. This obviously is not the case for all but a large amount of the "SOV" players seem to brag about it hence me getting slightly miffed.

So in short i would like to ask CCP the following

1. when will you get round to replacing the over used high security missions?
2. why are players who pay you nothing getting more content than subscribers?
3. what plans do you have to update content for players in high security space who fly solo?

I appreciate your time and efforts thus far and do love the game so no grudge is held here and i ask with the most sincere of good intention and need for information.

Cheers



I resent the fact that you assume you are the only one who pays for your sub. I lived in null for a year and paid the same way I always do with good ole US dollars. As for 0.0 making all the isk, bah thats poop.... I sat in Jita 4-4 this weekend and margin traded ships netting NETTING the cost of a plex in 2 days. My play time was approx 10 hours by the way.

OMG the risk I faced was terrible I had to make 70 jumps starting in low sec in a interceptor WAIT no that is living in null where its easy.

If you are only playing one tiny safe part of the game don't complain when you get bored play more of the game. Take a risk, live a little, jump in a Wormhole. Find Thera (I think thats the new station in WH space) trade there. Buy a JF deliver goods to NPC null. PLAY THE WHOLE GAME.

07
Maker

I am NOT crazy they made me take my medication this morning!
kage1982
Forks are for Fat Girls
#10 - 2016-05-02 15:18:16 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
I want to pick up my monitor and hurl it every time on of these "high sec is pve space" people post. There is no such thing as PVE space and PVP space. There is New Eden, where pve and pvp go hand in hand, even in high sec.

The fact that the OP prefers to play solo and 'has no interest' playing outside of the safety of high sec does not change any of the above.



Firstly if you feel like doing that i do suggest you calm down and make a cup of tea it helps. Its just a game after all.

Secondly i have no interest in ship fighting PVP, My engagements tend to be on the markets as its where i have more fun. But i do agree there is no such thing as "safe" space. The vast majority of high security player just tend to like activities that dont involve attacking other players directly. We like to blow rats up :)

If you enjoy attacking players rather than rats though that's your thing and i wholeheartedly am glad you enjoy your way of playing the game :)

Some like to play a different way. Missions need a huge revamp, epic arch and agent kind. Most have done them all by now. I love the back story, id love to see in game progress to it in the form of content (heths titan falling onto caldari prime was so cool lets have more of that).
kage1982
Forks are for Fat Girls
#11 - 2016-05-02 15:23:38 UTC
Maker Atavuli wrote:
kage1982 wrote:
Having tried getting a response for CCP on Facebook about this issue with no reply ive decided to use the forum to see if we can get some explanation instead.

I have noted that the past releases and changes to the game offer very little in the way of catering for PVE players. The Expansions seem to be dominated by changes to 0.0 space, which sadly is not an area of interest to me in the game. At this point id like to state that im not anti PVP and if that's part of the game that you love then that's your thing and im glad you enjoy it. Fighting other players in physical terms is not something that interests me in a great deal and i much prefer my fights to be on the market. So before we have the usual jibes of "care-bear" and "you should play in low sec" and not forgetting "its all about PVP so do it or leave " Please don't waste your time and just consider that others enjoy the game in their way as you do in yours. Insults will not gain you a response and quite frankly will just be ignored.

To the matter at hand. I have noticed that the recent content of expansions seems to lean heavy towards 0.0 warfare and there is very little content for High security players. Solo gamers exist, some do not wish to play with others all the time, and other s just outright like to play alone. Ive been playing since 2007 and ive lost count on how many times ive been sent to rescue a damsel, recover lost reports and investigate why convoys keep getting killed (spoiler alert - it was the drones who knew eh) To be frank i like missions but the same thing over and over is rather dull. If the Damsel keeps running back to that guy its her own fault, If the convoy gets nuked by drones they should consider another rout and lets face it if your reports keep getting stolen invest ina dam safe man!

High security space player pay a subscription in real money (im paying monthly 10 quid). This pays the wages of CCP staff and costs etc. (why else make a game if your not wanting money eh). The majority of high security space players don't make ISK in game and play via plex bought in game for game money aka not real cash.
So from what i see im paying real money to play a game and the developers seem to not wnat to update the content that i use, instead they seem to endlessly update the content of players who make enough in game ISK to not have to pay a penny in real money. This obviously is not the case for all but a large amount of the "SOV" players seem to brag about it hence me getting slightly miffed.

So in short i would like to ask CCP the following

1. when will you get round to replacing the over used high security missions?
2. why are players who pay you nothing getting more content than subscribers?
3. what plans do you have to update content for players in high security space who fly solo?

I appreciate your time and efforts thus far and do love the game so no grudge is held here and i ask with the most sincere of good intention and need for information.

Cheers



I resent the fact that you assume you are the only one who pays for your sub. I lived in null for a year and paid the same way I always do with good ole US dollars. As for 0.0 making all the isk, bah thats poop.... I sat in Jita 4-4 this weekend and margin traded ships netting NETTING the cost of a plex in 2 days. My play time was approx 10 hours by the way.

OMG the risk I faced was terrible I had to make 70 jumps starting in low sec in a interceptor WAIT no that is living in null where its easy.

If you are only playing one tiny safe part of the game don't complain when you get bored play more of the game. Take a risk, live a little, jump in a Wormhole. Find Thera (I think thats the new station in WH space) trade there. Buy a JF deliver goods to NPC null. PLAY THE WHOLE GAME.

07
Maker


If you read my OP you will see i state its not universal that all Null sec players pay in that way but a lot of them do like to brag about it .
Ive played the whole game, just found it more fun in high security space, but the lack of content in that area is now getting more apparent.
Kudos to trading in Jita though that place is a nightmare to trade in :)
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#12 - 2016-05-02 15:39:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
kage1982 wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
I want to pick up my monitor and hurl it every time on of these "high sec is pve space" people post. There is no such thing as PVE space and PVP space. There is New Eden, where pve and pvp go hand in hand, even in high sec.

The fact that the OP prefers to play solo and 'has no interest' playing outside of the safety of high sec does not change any of the above.



Firstly if you feel like doing that i do suggest you calm down and make a cup of tea it helps. Its just a game after all.

Secondly i have no interest in ship fighting PVP, My engagements tend to be on the markets as its where i have more fun. But i do agree there is no such thing as "safe" space. The vast majority of high security player just tend to like activities that dont involve attacking other players directly. We like to blow rats up :)

If you enjoy attacking players rather than rats though that's your thing and i wholeheartedly am glad you enjoy your way of playing the game :)

Some like to play a different way. Missions need a huge revamp, epic arch and agent kind. Most have done them all by now. I love the back story, id love to see in game progress to it in the form of content (heths titan falling onto caldari prime was so cool lets have more of that).




Sigh.

I killed more rats yesterday than most EVE players will kill in a year. If Rat killin was a war crime I'd be arrested and taken to the Hague, and convicted before any Balkan Head of State could be .

I'm a PVE focused player, pvp is a sideline and something I do to help my bros, but it's not why I log in. I'm sure I'm one of the more prolific posters in the Missions and Complexes forum, which in addition to being the home of EVE PVE is also a place where most of you types who complain about PVE do not post lol.

What you've tried to do here is the same old tired BS others have done, try to make a personal issue into some kind of "PVP vs PVE" thing. It's not. PVE is fine, it's your own self limiting behavior (choosing to play solo only, choosing to play in high sec only) that is your problem.

While you are here complaining about CCP not catering to the already over-indulged and over-privileged solo PVErs of high sec, real PVE players are killing NPCs in interesting ways (while NOT dying to try-hard PVPrs) and having fun doing it outside of high sec..
Mr Mieyli
Doomheim
#13 - 2016-05-02 15:40:12 UTC
I'd question whether any new content that doesn't out-ISK current content would ever see any use. PvE in eve is hella boring so (most) people just want to earn their isk in the shortest time possible. If it was just a case of adding more of the same I'd say no. It's not worth CCP to spend hours on developing content that will be boring in less time than it took to make. If it was a complete rethink of what pve is all about then maybe they'd be able to end up with a fun system, idk.

Wormhole content is good fun even in lower class holes, more of that in different parts of space would be welcome. In fact, pve is just too easy.. It's far too easy to get a battleship and solo whole overviews full of NPC battleships. In wormholes you fight groups of maybe 4 or 5 at a time but they don't mess about. You need either tactics, or friends just to not die. Ships hit hard but you have to actually make decisions like "oh shoot, this NPC is neuting out our logi primary him" and you'll make it through. People need engaging content, not stuff you can afk.

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Pandora Carrollon
Provi Rapid Response
#14 - 2016-05-02 15:50:46 UTC
HiSec isn't intended to be ISK happiness. You pay for your ship safety by getting less ISK back on whatever activity you are doing. I'm in HiSec and I understand this thoroughly.

HiSec money is in Industry and Research. That means blueprints and making stuff. Mining should only be to support those two activities. Missions are useless until you get to Level 4 or better and that means you have to slog through massive amounts of the 1-3 mission stuff unless you train in the Social skills. Get those to max an it's relatively fast to get to Level 4. Missions are missions though.

There is also a lot of stuff going on. Incursions, events, etc. Want an insane challenge? Those Circadian Sleepers might but fun to lose a shi... uh, play with. I think they have a pretty decent bounty on them... I could be wrong.

HiSec is just fine. If you want big ISK, you will need to go to Null and accept the risk that goes with it.

8 Golden Rules of EVE • EVE is entirely PvP
kage1982
Forks are for Fat Girls
#15 - 2016-05-02 15:56:54 UTC
Guys (and gals) this post isnt about making ISK. Its about game content in high sec. I make my ISK in other ways and im fine with that. I want to do Missions, new ones would be nice yes?
for the final time im not against pvp
If you choose to do that then thats good for you enjoy it.

The life of mission runners (i do lvl 4 already) is getting dull, we need more new content. new missions, hell even WOW can throw out a few new mission/quests a month why cant this game do that?
we getting the picture yet?
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#16 - 2016-05-02 16:08:54 UTC
Were not all the burner missions fairly recent releases? I believe the are up to cruiser gangs with frig logi support. Didn't we also recently see Drifter, the seekers, and ghost sites added? There's also been several special faction events such as the blood raiders, serpentis, and Gurista ones?

Yeah the most recent patch did not feature a huge change to hi sec pve, but the last 2 years has seen some significant changes. Yes it does not happen at break neck speed, but nothing in Eve does. Still, to act like CCP has put no focus on hi sec pve seems short sighted.
kage1982
Forks are for Fat Girls
#17 - 2016-05-02 16:17:19 UTC
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
Were not all the burner missions fairly recent releases? I believe the are up to cruiser gangs with frig logi support. Didn't we also recently see Drifter, the seekers, and ghost sites added? There's also been several special faction events such as the blood raiders, serpentis, and Gurista ones?

Yeah the most recent patch did not feature a huge change to hi sec pve, but the last 2 years has seen some significant changes. Yes it does not happen at break neck speed, but nothing in Eve does. Still, to act like CCP has put no focus on hi sec pve seems short sighted.



They were limited time holiday missions. Burners are ok if you have mates on-line that is if you dont then they are not for solo running thats for sure and there are not that many of them.

If anything they should have lifetimes on missions, a year tops. Once that time is done the mission should be replaced witha new one. Same with epic archs which to be honest would be a great way to further the back story in the game by making the epic archs tell the next chapter.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#18 - 2016-05-02 16:36:58 UTC
kage1982 wrote:
Guys (and gals) this post isnt about making ISK. Its about game content in high sec. I make my ISK in other ways and im fine with that. I want to do Missions, new ones would be nice yes?
for the final time im not against pvp
If you choose to do that then thats good for you enjoy it.

The life of mission runners (i do lvl 4 already) is getting dull, we need more new content. new missions, hell even WOW can throw out a few new mission/quests a month why cant this game do that?
we getting the picture yet?


Ah, so you want more missions.

Like lvl 5 missions in low sec?

Like Pirate lvl 1-4 missions (burner missions included in the lvl 4s) in npc null? Missions like CONCORD Blockade that aren't available in high sec?

Like Faction Warfare Missions?

Like the 2 Pirate Epic Arcs (which you can start in high sec and do in small hard to kill ships)?

Like the low sec COSMOS missions and complexes and the null sec COSMOS complexes?

What about all the other PVE? Have you done all of Pirate and Drone DED complexes. Have you scanned down and run the unique "lost sites" in places like Venal and Delve?


WoW and other games can throw out new content like that because those games are themepark games where the game designers feed content to players. EVE is a sandbox, with minimalist developer made "content" and a focus on player interaction and creativity.

CCPs current game designers have their hands full balancing existing things and frankly (meaning no offense to the find folks at CCP ), they just aren't that good at making content anyways. See Drifter Incursions (well, you could have seen them , if they still existed, which they don't).

Things go right when CCP sticks to making tools and lets us (the players) provide the "content". There is more than enough content for a PVE player to keep busy in EVE for decades if only they are willing to leave high sec.. I know this because I've been PVEing in to for damn near a decade and I'm not tired yet.
sci0gon
Kaira Innovations
#19 - 2016-05-02 16:37:16 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
While you are here complaining about CCP not catering to the already over-indulged and over-privileged solo PVErs of high sec, real PVE players are killing NPCs in interesting ways (while NOT dying to try-hard PVPrs) and having fun doing it outside of high sec..



Thats an interesting mindset you seem to have on the solo pve'rs of high sec, would you care to elaborate why you feel that the high sec pve'rs are over-indulged and privileged?

The main point the op is making is the lack of content for pve. I can understand that feeling and have previously posted in the features and ideas discussion area offering a idea which would counter this issue so that players would not get bored with mission content. yet at the same time i can understand that there is a lot that also needs to be fixed within the game too and a fair amount of the players who post on the forums are more interested in seeing those be fixed first rather then seeing content added which has very little to do with them.

op, if you'd like to see what my idea was you can find it here https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6414988#post6414988
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#20 - 2016-05-02 16:39:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
kage1982 wrote:


They were limited time holiday missions. Burners are ok if you have mates on-line that is if you dont then they are not for solo running thats for sure and there are not that many of them.


What?

Holy crap, you can't be serious. You just can't be. So you're telling me that you don't know how to do burners, haven't exhausted all that content ( there are now regualr burners, team burners, and bases). But here you are asking for more missions?

WTF man?
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