Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So after a few months hiatus from game I returned shortly before the citadel release to enjoy some FAX gameplay, After making logistics a staple of my gameplay for over 4 years I hoped that CCP and the capital focus group would have done a good job with FAX's and the revamp to capitals.

You can understand my disappointment to find out that the stats on Triage module ( T2 version ) have devolved to the point of instability and unification in ship fittings with the loss of the 20% reduction in remote logistical module capacitor use forcing the use of capacitor boosters in fittings to perform their intended role.

This would be less of a problem if it wasn't for the increased capacitor use of the newly introduced capital modules and the extra high slots over previous carriers adding to the problem of increased capacitor use.
This forces the use of capacitor boosters making choice ( a so called option within eve ) less of an option forcing fittings, unification and ultimately lack of that greatest of eve options choice in fittings.

I would petition CCP to return the stat to the T2 triage module to allow for variation once again when it comes to this new ship class or even increase it, The removal of combat refitting, The addition of an extra high slot and increased capacitor use of other capital modules makes for some choice but ultimately the fitting of capacitor boosters to allow the logistical capital to perform its intended task forces fitting of specific modules and takes diversity out of the game.

If evolution teaches us anything it's that diversity leads to great things not unification.

But then this applies to hostile Force Auxiliary ships as well so it evens out.

Adapt and survive. Update your fits.

out of curiosity, what do you plan on fitting on a FAX if caps were not an issue and you don't need cap boosters?

It all depends on what you want to use it for. Minmatar and Gallente Caps are for small gangs and wormholes while Caldari And Amarr are for larger fleets.

Also you're not meant to run on the cap boosters as default. They are meant as a backup to counter neuts in small gangs and wormholes.

By default your aim is not to be cap stable with everything on. The idea is absurd. You're supposed to pulse reppers at need.

This almost sounds like your conceding my point that capacitor boosters should not be a default requirement for the fitting and operation of FAX’s.
Reading into your statement literally they are a choice to attempt to counter capacitor neutralization and in that case ALL FAX’s should come with a bonus to capacitor boosters and even then this would be much more of a required fitting of capacitor boosters instead of an optional fitting of capacitor boosters to perform their intended role.



Yes total capacitor stability running everything ( local and remote modules ) is an absurd idea and this is not what I’m pushing for, Total capacitor stability has never been possible in the history of triage, however remote stability or local stability has been possible and for the focused logistical FAX’s they should be able to achieve either one or the other if the pilot flying the ship wishes to sacrifice tank or other ability for capacitor recharge rate this just makes them all the easier to be killed especially with the removal of combat refitting.

Returning the 20% reduction in remote module capacitor use allows for varied fittings if someone wants to fill their high rack with remote modules they are free to do so this expands their rescue profile, if the pilot just wants a few and to utilize the remainder of their fitting for capacitor injection and local tank it allows that also but it does NOT allow for TOTAL stability in their ship just reduced capacitor usage for remote modules.



You mean like being DD'd off the field this is just a fact of life for logistics pilots if or when it happens.

Topic Moved to Features and Ideas Discussion.

Don't be ridiculous. Everyone knows certain ships are simply better for certain parts of the game. Are you also upset that a proteus is better for WHs than k-space? That Tengus are better for PvE than a legion? That if you want to instalock you take a svipul over any other t3d? Everyone and their brother knows certain ships simply are better suited to different parts of EVE.

If i must, It is two fold sig bloom and overall capacitor capacity reduction, Sig bloom can be mitigated via implants and skirmish links just like capacitor capacity can be mitigated via rigs and implants, This doesn’t mean fitting an MWD is terrible it just means that you have to alter fittings, use implants and links to mitigate the impact a MWD has on your desired setup.



The resistance bonuses are there because they are racial bonuses and I'd be glad to ask the original designers reasons behind it, This doesn’t mean that they are better or worse for one type of fleet than another it just means that gallente and minmatar end up being more agile on the battlefield than amar or have a smaller signature than caldari, With the introduction of larger grids and the soon™ death of off grid boosting I could see more agile command ships being used more than the resistance wielding ones for micro jump driving around the grid away from all the action to help splinter up hostile fleets but this certainly doesn’t mean they have no place in large scale fights and even if people don’t use them in that way the pilots of the gallente or minmatar ships may just simply ignore the local repair bonus entirely to throw in an unexpected element into their fleets.



That is the racial bonus just applied on the capital level just like the resistance bonuses of the amar and caldari, This doesn’t mean that they can’t perform other roles like a sole FAX supporting a small bait group forcing hostiles to drop a larger fleet to win the battle, The local tanking bonus has much more application than just k-space but I’m guessing you're just being short sighted in the use of the minmatar and galente FAX’s religating them to just k-space support.


And since i'm out of quote's on the drone front maybe they want to feel more secure in moving through gates or maybe they just want to kill mail whore just because bonuses say so doesn't mean that it's law, Pilots do weird and wonderful things in eve some work and some don't, some are viable and some aren't but just because bonuses are there doesn't mean that they all need to be utalized to create content or succeed.

Now I'm done with your post can we get back to the topic at hand that is the 20% reduction in capital remote capacitor use stat that was since it's inception applied to the T2 triage mod or do you want to continue filling the thread with off topic posts about your opinion of what FAX's go where.

It's quite clear you failed to read to opening post not much of a shock



This thread is NOT about FAX hulls but the triage module that FAX's are now the sole user of, I'd suggest training reading to 5 and stop clogging up a thread that you didn't even read the opening post of.