EVE General Discussion

This is more of a problem for my alts, they have no income(or next to no income) of their own and thus I will have to keep sending them ISK just to be able to jump around and do what I built them for.

This seems like a strange change to me. It does nothing but slightly annoy any older players with billions of isk laying around, and it punishes new players who don't have a lot of money yet, but who also probably aren't using jump clones much either. What's the point?

Subscribed! 1M Isk is nothing to old players and quite a lot for newbie. Most old players are in a player Corp anyway so they don't need public clone bays while it's the other way round for noobs. Hopefully the clone bay service will be revived

Btw: what happens to your possessions including clones when you are excluded from a citadel?

It's an ISK sink, for one.

Granted, it's more than I figured they'd make it, but then again, considering how much it use to cost to upgrade medical clones each time you hit an SP milestone or got podded, it's not really a harmful number either. While this isn't the same thing, I strongly doubt this is as "punishing" to newer players as many have expressed. It's more of a nuisance to older players who are use to a system where clone jumping is not tied to a fee -- now it is. I don't see newer players complaining much if at all. In fact, considering all of the changes to clone mechanics that make it easier to use them more freely (can have 5 more JCs now, med clone removal, can cut as much as five hours out of cool-down via skill), this is hardly bothersome. It feels more like people are gripping over something that is no longer going the way they want it to than legitimate concern.

Nobody has mentioned that you had to grind up your NPC standings to be able to install a jumpclone in an NPC station.

If this ISK charge had (and should have been) implemented when they dropped the requirements, nobody would be squawking now.

It's not the ships, it's about the implants. Yeah, if you can manage 1M ISK rats there is no reason to moan baout 1M Isk and the old clone system was cheap for noobs and pricey for vets. Now you are hitting for something that isn't stiffeling for noobs but an annoyance for vets. Don't think that you can find this spot. For you should drop the fee to 100.000 till you've got 5M SP after that it's okay.

Why don't you just always stay in your learning implants?

EDIT: from your killboard I see you ninja gas mine in wormholes. Indeed it's smart to have an empty clone for that, so you don't lose anymore implants. :)

In this case, noob or not 0.9 mil isn't much compared to the 20m per hour or so you make. Higher reward than highsec, higher risk and/or cost (jump clone) to mitigate that risk.

How dare CCP charge us the bounty price of one mid ranged pirate NPC battleship every 19 to 24 hours?

Are they crazy? I mean it's like they think a newbie in a Vexor Navy Issue ratting null anoms can make 16 Jump Clone Jumps worth of isk in just 15 minutes of ratting or something.....


(This is the part where I say "oh wait" as if i didn't know what I was saying all along )

Oh, wait......I guess some people are just cheap as hell.

I don't quite get this change either. For most it is neglible, so it seems that for some reason CCP wants to discourage new players from clone jumping. But why? Don't we want to move them out of the central areas?

Jeez guys and gals,

This is not an ISK sink as it means nothing for those players that have role specific alts. Those players do not use JCs regularly, it is a rare instance for them. The ONLY players that are being impacted are those with jack-of-all-trades characters (all of my accounts), casual players (read me), and new players (they cannot nearly as effectively try out differing roles without incurring a direct, recurring expense).

It is a pure ISK grab from CCP, that really only impacts casual play and poor players (those with limited income, not referring to those with some assets as income and assets are totally different beasts). It removes the viability of an SP specific earning implant heavy JC. I personally have 7 accounts with a single SP gaining, all +5 implant JC. It has taken me MONTHS to train and earn sufficient resources to make the 1-time capital purchase to afford such a set of implants. The ONLY reason that I purchased such a set was that THERE WERE NO ADDITIONAL COSTS associated with operating JCs, the only cost that there has ever been was the JC time delay. These implants could be justified ONLY as a long term purchase (multi-year, that is how I was intending upon using them), as the incremental benefits of a very costly +5 set vs a moderate +3 set is very marginal (I run +3 sets as standard). I jumped into this 1B+ JC every single time that it made sense, and it never leaves the station. Now using that JC, that was setup specifically for that purpose, is financially not viable for a casual player and really makes no sense at all even for a very high income player. Basically with a single UNDOCUMENTED rule change, CCP has removed access to 7B+ of my totally unsaleable assets. In the same fell swoop, the time that I have spent earning said assets and training to utilize those assets have been made irrelevant. JCs are not like other assets, their implants cannot be sold, so CCP has instituted a RECURRING fee to access already purchased, already installed, and totally unsaleable assets.

What does this mean? This means that this single change would cost me ~100M to 250M ISK annually per account to use JCs in the way that I have always used them and a way that has always been permitted. This is a HUGE change for a casual player that pays to play their account vs Plexing their account. I have now effectively lost use of 7B+ of assets. I have lost the use of many, many hours of time for gaining said assets. I no long need or want the skills that I trained to use those unsaleable, player owned assets. it just makes no sense for CCP to effectively remove access to player-owned, already installed, and completely unsaleable assets.

The worst thing about this move is that CCP has now monetarily penalized jack-of-all-trades character development. Now if I want to take my characters that were setup for mining to go ratting or exploring or run missions or whatever, I have to pay a fee to try those things out in an effective way. Going mission running now costs me 1.8M per character more than it used to (jump into a mission JC and back to a mining JC), for a limited income character to begin with. Those who setup role specific alts, do not pay ANYTHING (and guess what, most of these single-role characters in a single account can afford it!). The implementation of a per-use JC fee effectively kills the development of jack-of-all-trades characters and monetarily penalizes anyone who attempts it. 3 years of character development is not totally wasted, but it is substantially discounted.

Those who setup accounts with 3 role specific alts made the right decision, I did not. This specific action could hardly have hurt anyone worse than me. If the documentation backing up this change had been less than deceptive, I would not have setup a new account last week and added a year of gametime to an existing account at the same time.

CCP has screwed me. Without warning, without documentation, without discussion. A $1K annual payment to CCP has now just ended. I will not place another dime in CCP's hands, ever. I may end up playing out my current account time, but probably not. When my next account runs out of time, I like likely cancel all of them.

SHAME on you CCP.