EVE General Discussion

Anyone else show up to watch the battle? Perimeter hit 600 people in local. The armor timer is at like 2300 eve time for anyone who wants to come see round 2.

Yeah I was there flying around those domies bumping them and looting the occasional wreck when all of the sudden my little ship got popped my a smartbombing rokh and then I got podded by said rokh.

Laughed mighty hard at that.

Cool to see how everyone and their mom showed up looking at that citadel. Loved the live commentary by eve-radio too when something would happen.

Hopefully see some fireworks from it soon too.

Highsec citadels defences are a joke. It's really only the defending fleet that matters in highsec, not the citadel itself.

I didnt see the fight, did the defending station have weapons or did it get taken down too fast for subcap launchers, rigs, and whatnot

The problem in highsec, is simply that the sort of stats you would need to give a citadel to allow it to survive in the hands of a small indy corp, against the indiscriminate war of the major merc alliances, would be entirely over the top.

To allow it to stand a chance in that scenario, you would in turn make it basically invincible in a fight between equally sized opponents, though I suppose many would argue that the latter scenario basically never happens these days.

Its going to be very interesting in the next few weeks as the tactics around citadel fitting and citadel attacking fleet doctrine are worked on and perfected. The problem is simply that the opposing forces can be enormously different in size and strength, because high sec war has nothing to do with local competitors of similar sizes doing battle with one another.

You can't really balance them for high sec war decs without making them ridiculously powerful in low/null/wh. Starbases had the ability to be dismantled before a war began, this is no longer the case now, so you ether need numbers or diplomacy on your side. An attacking fleet is not created to personally destroy one citadel, it can go round dozens a day.

They just tanked it.

The defenders didn't put out a fleet of any kind and a medium citadel doesn't have that much firepower. Vendetta lost some stuff initially because their logistics chain went suspect because of reasons however they fixed that problem, came back and reinforced it unopposed by anything except the station.

As it turns out that putting up a citadel if you have no capacity to defend it is not actually a good idea.

Pretty sure this will end well.

er... not.

I can't foresee anything going wrong with that. Freighter pilots love flying into warzones for 1% extra profit after taxes. Don't trust those silly historians claiming that market hubs depend on being easily accessible, secure, well stocked, well populated and either be competitive in price or hold a monopoly. It only takes, seriously, 1% less taxes and an affordable 10% recovery fee in the event that the marketplace storing your wares goes boom.

Yeah.

I think this is not really a problem of citadels but it has a lot to do with the expectations of the owners that they will just have to set up a giant loot pinata and become space rich. Also it might have to do with this one being one of the first. Everybody who understands a bit about Eve and its players should know that deploying a citadel in perimeter would equal painting "shoot me" in giant letters on its back.

It was clear from the beginning that - other than a POS - a citadel would not be viable for single players or small corps.

Ofc the guy was doomed in perimeter... but that is not the point... ccp is pushing us to citadels, cheaper market for now, later probably better industry or refining etc... Now im not saying they will be manditory but they will offer advantages.

So if these advantages are on a structure that blows up if you sneeze at it how does ccp expect medium corps or even alliances to utilize them? Yes, i understand you should have your own fleet able to defend during vulnerable time windows, however the sad fact is the medum and small groups can not bring the numbers that some merc corps can.

I think that taking this into consideration there is some sort of expectation that citadels should offer some sort of force multiplier that forces a larger corp to stop and consider if taking on that citadel is really worth the effort. I am by no means saying it should be so strong it's impossible but it should in no way be a force multipier that is equivilent of a tickle.

Take POS's for example, setting aside the various issues with them, they do at least force a war deccing corp to work at it... if for no other reason then the annoying ecm and shield hardeners. If set up correctly they at least offer decent defenses for the cost of that POS.

Now take the costs of citadels.... I would hope that the defense systems would at least be that of a MUCH cheaper POS, I personally feel the defense systems should be a considerable step up from that of a deathstar, or d*ckstar.

Anyway thats my 2 cents, I wont be donating ant citadels to a corp anytime soon, at least till i know that there is a reasonable chance of it staying alive long enough to serve its function.


That all is assuming HS weaponry etc.... also assuming large citadels are as defenseless. At least as the guy a few posts up said who tested it on the test server