EVE General Discussion

I can absolutely confirm that CODE. and Goonswarm Federation are two separate entities and that we never actually received funding from Goonswarm.

I also would like to use this moment to thank our Goonswarm overlords for making all this possible.

Gankers will be fine. They adapt and the freighter murder will continue.

When CCP makes freighters feel safer it just makes them carry more valuable cargo. Which then increases the motivation to kill them.

Freighter pilots who take precautions, undock and haul billions of ISK in cargo are not carebears. They are actually playing the game.

The carebears are the players who come to these forums and whine how unfair it is that other players can hunt them and explode them despite the fact that this game play is completely intended and intentionally designed by CCP. The vulnerability to other players and the cat-and-mouse gameplay it spawns is literally one of, if not the, most fundamental central pillar of the game.

You, for example, are a carebear because you come to these forums to whine how you are not invincible to the other players in this PvP game and to call them sociopaths. The professional haulers at say Red Frog Freight are not carebears because the get down to the business of hauling and take responsibility for their safety using the many in-game tools CCP has provided to keep your assets safe. And players who undock and make content by shooting other players? They are certainly not carebears no matter how hard you try to spin the definition of the term.

1. I never had something to do with highsec PVP. I am totaly unbiased therefore as i said i live in null and hunt my victims there (so your assumptions i am whining here are null and void). You label me as a carebear for the wrong reasons buddy. At least try to read the stuff i wrote because i already said what i was doing and why i am actualy a carebear.
2. I read the forums enough to see how players in different aspects of the game "function". for every pilot who whines and moans that they should be safe in this game for any kind of reason (which is bullshit, we all know that) there are 5 "sociopaths" who tell him he has to endure this because they obviously need him as target to get ganked. I knew exactly what would happen when i use the word sociapath as it triggers those people :P I am sorry for this. They are obviously not sociopaths in the inherent meaning of the word, god forbid but even I like to trigger some people sometimes as those guys like to trigger their victims on and on (which i also hate. It's one thing to gank someone but rubbing it in afterwards is where i draw the line and where the word sociopath actualy gets some merit)
3. I am not spinning the term of a carebear.

Someone with balls = Takes a lot of risk in his actions to make a profit (be it ISK, tears, fun, whatever)
Flying a carrier solo (flying anything solo actualy). Hauling big stuff. Beeing one of the first to try out new content (sleeper sites, burner missions)

Carebear = Takes the least amount of risk to make profit
All the highsec ganking, High sec war deccing of new bro corps, Gatecamping with 2 scouts and falcon alt, station trading

How the **** people using cheap catalysts with 30 other people not counting as carebears is way beyond me.

A carebear wants somebody else to remove or manage the risks associated with Eve for them, a non-carebear does it for themself.

I have to say this is true. in the sense of metagaming (crying in the forum that is) the carebear term can actualy be used that way you described.

My arguments were more about actualy gameplay and there your argument is also valid but kind of in the opposite direction.

For example a freighter pilot flying around with a big cargo is not carebearing but when he gets blown up and comes to the forum to whine he is metagame-carebearing :) If he would have used frogs to transport his stuff he would have carebeared in his playstyle.

that's exactly what i said. it does makes sense yes :)

Isn't that exactly what the people coming to the forum and saying "CCP how you dare to change this tactic that allow us to bump a ship for hours without consequences" is doing?

You may have all the time in the world to choose a target but you don't have all the time in the world to execute. In Null you can take 23 hours to kill a target. In high sec, you have until CONCORD shows up.

You. The carebear is the player that refuses to accept what type of game this is.

Avoiding PvP is not being a carebear. Complaining that you are at risk to other players when that is specifically and intentionally how the game has been designed is the very definition of being a carebear. You are also a carebear because you choose to (repeated) whine and complain that you are not completely safe in highsec despite the fact that CCP has made crystal clear that you are responsible for your own safety there.

You are not entitled to be free of risk in this game. Play the game how you want, but refusing to explode another player because "you are not at enough risk" is inane. If some other player makes a mistake and exposes their assets to you, it makes perfect sense from a moral and general game perspecitve to call them on that and shoot them and take their stuff, regardless of whether you are at extreme risk or completely safe. And if you take steps to manoeuvre your opponent into making that mistake or increase the chance you find them unprepared or inattentive, you are clever, not a carebear.

So again, the carebear is the player that denies or refuses to accept that their stuff has put intentionally at risk by CCP in this PvP sandbox game. A carebear is a player whose world-view mistakenly does not include the possibility of being shot. The player who goes out seeking to shoot another player (or avoid being shot by another player) is not carebear. They are just playing the game CCP designed.