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Jump Clone Charge
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Koybayashi Salvageworks
#1 - 2016-05-01 16:08:44 UTC
This new jump clone charge is ridiculous for new players. 900,000k every time I want to jump to my training clone is absolutely absurd. Why would you put a tax on jump clones that really only punishes new players? This amount is trivial to everyone except for new players, and you are just creating more barriers to entry for your game.

I cannot create threads in the new feature feedback area, and there is no thread for me to reply to on this issue.
Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#2 - 2016-05-01 16:10:07 UTC
What is this training clone?

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Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
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#3 - 2016-05-01 16:12:22 UTC
training clone?! o.O

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Nalia White
Tencus
#4 - 2016-05-01 16:14:57 UTC
Nat Silverguard wrote:
training clone?! o.O


a clone with good implants i presume. but is this fee not only applicable when outside of your jump clone timer? if it indeed is so, then i see no problem there. gotta pay for convinience :)

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Kiandoshia
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2016-05-01 16:15:20 UTC
Anyone remember back when dying used to cost money?

Also thanks OP. Never thought I'd see someone whine about 900k ISK.
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#6 - 2016-05-01 16:18:31 UTC
Nalia White wrote:
Nat Silverguard wrote:
training clone?! o.O


a clone with good implants i presume. but is this fee not only applicable when outside of your jump clone timer? if it indeed is so, then i see no problem there. gotta pay for convinience :)

Can't jump with timer.

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Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#7 - 2016-05-01 16:21:11 UTC
If you have cybernetics 5 and are jumping to a clone worth half a billion isk then you will probably have to drop the "poor newbie" label at this point.


Meanwhile I never heard of any actual newbies complaining about this. Maybe they just don't jump around that much?

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Nalia White
Tencus
#8 - 2016-05-01 16:23:30 UTC
Kiandoshia wrote:
Anyone remember back when dying used to cost money?

Also thanks OP. Never thought I'd see someone whine about 900k ISK.


oh i was missinformed then sorry. nevertheless another isk sink is a good thing.

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Spacefaring Bastard
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2016-05-01 16:33:45 UTC
I don't even have a jump clone.

Then again, I also have no idea what a noob is in EVE, because holy ass, this game requires so damn much research to get into.
Maekchu
Doomheim
#10 - 2016-05-01 17:09:36 UTC
If you have a specific training clone, you are no longer a newbie and you are perfectly able to cover the increased clone cost.

If somehow you aren't, then you should feel bad and no amount of fixes from CCP will help you.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#11 - 2016-05-01 17:29:57 UTC
So new players that can afford a training clone are going to not be able to afford the jump tax on an NPC station?

That doesn't quite seem logical.

If that's the case, then it should just be temporary until Citadel owners set prices cheaper as competition.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2016-05-01 17:34:07 UTC
Kiandoshia wrote:
Anyone remember back when dying used to cost money?

Also thanks OP. Never thought I'd see someone whine about 900k ISK.

That scale was disproportionate, and also punished players for losing a pod.

The complaint was bound to happen, and if it wasn't sooner it would happen after the clone limit per station/citadel is lifted along with the clone jump cooldown within a station.

This charge was to allow citadel owners the opportunity to make ISK for providing a cloning service, which costs ISK to operate.

ALL of these complaints can be avoided if clone storage is based on a rental fee over time, where you rent a clone bay weekly or monthly.

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W33b3l
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2016-05-01 19:17:47 UTC  |  Edited by: W33b3l
I didn't even realize a JC was a thing until over 2 years into the game. I've been playing forever now and I only have a clone for running missions and a clone for PVP. Couldn't even tell you wich one I'm in for sure at the moment because I forget they exist lol. I really need to work on that.

If new players are anything like I was. As in deciding to worry about jump clones and remaps after they get a handle on how the wholly crap do these crazy ships work and why do I suck side of the game, it doesn't surprise me that we don't hear about this much.

Assuming the complaint is valid of course.
Ashlar Maidstone
MoonFyre BattleGroup Holdings
#14 - 2016-05-01 20:28:07 UTC
WHY of all things when I have to use a JC to another station have to BUY a clone from the station I am leaving from??? WHY did I lose a JC in what is to be my corparate headquarters in NPC Nulsec??? 900k everytime is just way too much to have to waste for a service that used to be even better than this trash?

NOT a rant btw, good honest to goodness questions, unless these changes were made and nothing was said about losing JCs at a station that is your home base is not good at all.

This ultimately means I aint spending no more isk for a service I can no longer rely on for those times when I need to go either direction, and buy a JC in a foreign station to boot.
Hawke Frost
#15 - 2016-05-01 20:46:53 UTC
Ashlar Maidstone wrote:
WHY of all things when I have to use a JC to another station have to BUY a clone from the station I am leaving from??? WHY did I lose a JC in what is to be my corparate headquarters in NPC Nulsec??? 900k everytime is just way too much to have to waste for a service that used to be even better than this trash?

NOT a rant btw, good honest to goodness questions, unless these changes were made and nothing was said about losing JCs at a station that is your home base is not good at all.

This ultimately means I aint spending no more isk for a service I can no longer rely on for those times when I need to go either direction, and buy a JC in a foreign station to boot.


Because as you jump to that clone, which thus gets removed, you leave behind a new clone in the station you just left and clone creation requires 900k isk. It's really not difficult to understand.
Shayla Etherodyne
Delta Laroth Industries
#16 - 2016-05-01 20:55:49 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
Kiandoshia wrote:
Anyone remember back when dying used to cost money?

Also thanks OP. Never thought I'd see someone whine about 900k ISK.

That scale was disproportionate, and also punished players for losing a pod.

The complaint was bound to happen, and if it wasn't sooner it would happen after the clone limit per station/citadel is lifted along with the clone jump cooldown within a station.

This charge was to allow citadel owners the opportunity to make ISK for providing a cloning service, which costs ISK to operate.

ALL of these complaints can be avoided if clone storage is based on a rental fee over time, where you rent a clone bay weekly or monthly.


Interesting idea, but it would generate problems for people leaving the game for an extended period. I have recently returned after staying away for 4 years.
Returning to a depleted wallet and no jumpclones would be annoying.
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#17 - 2016-05-01 21:01:43 UTC
Its only if you're installing a clone.

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Claude deTedric
TSL Holdings
The Star League
#18 - 2016-05-01 21:58:53 UTC
Aiwha wrote:
Its only if you're installing a clone.


If you Jump Clone to another, previously setup, JC in another station somewhere - then you are leaving behind/installing a clone where you jump from.

It now costs 900k in an NPC station. I assure you - it does
Mr Mieyli
Doomheim
#19 - 2016-05-01 22:07:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Mieyli
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
If you have cybernetics 5 and are jumping to a clone worth half a billion isk then you will probably have to drop the "poor newbie" label at this point.


Meanwhile I never heard of any actual newbies complaining about this. Maybe they just don't jump around that much?


But just think of the poor noobs to skill queue online who HAVE to pay extortionate amounts of money just to jump into a different clone to train faster. Everyone knows noobs have clones with hugely expensive implants that they jump back and forth from hundreds of times a day.

You people chasing more and more convenience really make me lose hope in humanity...(Not directed at you Angelique)

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Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2016-05-02 03:17:26 UTC
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