Warfare & Tactics

Can't tell if troll... or just stupid...

Just confirming a river of tears has been cried for you.

As a dude who concerns himself with wardecs, I'd like to weigh in on this.

Wardecs *are* broken. This is a story as old as the hills. Further, they're broken in several different ways. They're broken both from the perspective of the carebears that get decced when they have no ability to sufficiently pucker their butthole in defense or the knowledge to scrape the dec and also from the perspective of the griefer who is looking for unpuckered buttholes to violence.

Corp hopping is broken both ways as well. The ways Skunks use it are just as brutally unfair as those able to scamper away like cockroaches under kitchen lights.

Now, I used to think it was a mechanical issue, and for some facets of it this is absolutely true, but the larger issue is simply this:

There is no reason for anyone to be in a corp in highsec. There is no advantage of it. The only thing of even marginal utility is the corp hanger system, which can be handled on the fly with contracts. Even if a corp has a POS up, it's most likely just a hobby-garden, and if it's actually being used, one or two well skilled industry toons can use it to full capacity, meaning it need not be a corp thing so much as a side project for an individual that requires there be a corp in order for it to be put up.

Consequently, there's absolutely no reason other than pride or ignorance that someone shouldn't be willing to drop corp the instant it's a disadvantage to be in one. I know for Skunks, for instance, the actual corp only exists as a platform for wardecs. We don't need it. All of the actual corp goings-on are discussed in player made channels and Teamspeak. If the actual corp of Skunkworks disappeared in a horrific gardening accident, we would mourn the loss of a badass name and otherwise continue on without missing a step.

I don't have a proposal for a solution yet, but I'm giving it some serious thought, and CCP should be doing the same.

(Monk for CSM)

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I think CCP can actually use this to their advantage to increase paying customers.

Allot of peaceful honest people have bin lost over the years, Im guessing tens of millions of real world revenue was lost by CCP due to 4 year old characters going after the guy who still doesnt understand why he is being told to train for tech 2 fittings by the end of the year.

This should be the newb protection it should literally be put into the training missions that one goes through when they start on day one.

CCP, bring us more people to play with, consider all options.

does anyone actually offer an alliance service where they join and leave for a cost ;p sounds like a sound business plan.

CCP's newest theme is war, so I expect/hope they will alter wardec mechanics significantly over the next year.

Here's a couple founding guidelines I would suggest for wardecs:

Non-consentual PvP is an important part of EvE, and hisec wardecs are a good idea (even if the current implementation is problematic).

[Posting stuff I posted in another thread]
I would think putting out general guidelines on what works, and what fails in the current wardec scheme would be very helpful to CCP.

Working as intended:
Allowing an aggressor corp to wardec any Player corp they want.
The only "safety" from wardecs comes from NPC corps.
Mutual wardecs: RvB is an excellent example of working as intended wardecs!

Fails:
Corp hopping: The ease at which corps can evade wardecs by jumping to another corp.
Corp hopping: The ease at which aggressors can hop corps to weekend gank.
Cost: The price of wardecs is laughably low. There is essentially no cost to wardecs.

Potential (not necessarily good) ideas:

Provide a disadvantage to the aggressing corp. Currently, price is NOT a disadvantage.
-- NPC's can be bought to boot people out of stations in which their corp doesn't hold an office? (Meh)
-- Players can NOT join an aggressing corp during one-sided wardecs? (+1)
-- Additional concord taxes on all rewards and market transactions? (meh)
-- War deccer's get standing penalties to factions based on the wardeccee's standings (i.e., dec a few +10 Amarr mission running corps, and your corp suddenly has -10 faction standings to Amarr, hence amarr police attack in amarr space) (+1, but hard to balance, there seems to be some support for this.. )

Regional/factional Wardecs? Each wardec is limited to a faction's space (Caldari, Amarr, etc)? (+/-)

Corp Life Risk vs Reward:
-- Increase the benefits of being in a player corp vs NPC, but don't allow players to so quickly evade wardecs.
-- Forcing players into unwanted fights is an awesome core value of the game, and should be maintained.
-- Undeccable NPC corps are an excellent tool for players to live without wardec hassles. Personally, i think tools should exist to allow players to choose which NPC corp to join, but I'd also double the taxes of NPC corps.

Essentially, the benefits of creating a corp should be balanced with the risks of having its economic benefits and activities inhibited by wardecs.

Let me rephrase that for you: "I use game mechanics in weird and cheesy ways to evade someone who wardecced me, and then call them stupid and act all big and such when they complain about it."

Congratulations, I suppose.

Yes, this is exactly what we do. Except it's free. In fact, we are the ones directly responsible for this thread being generated. We shielded his victim and he sent us hatemail. Amusingly, we actually completely agree with his viewpoint. Wardecs are very broken, and we're all for raising awareness and trying to get CCP to change.

You find find the thread here

The problem the 1 man corp war dec is making use of other exploit mechanics for the weaselly hisec"PVPers". They have other members with corp apps in, but not accepted, find you, get close, 1 man corp accepts app, suddenly you have a dozen wt's on your ass..