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What A Great Design!

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Mikael Owen
Minmatar Fleet Academy
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#1 - 2016-04-30 17:03:13 UTC
Hello there!

So I am a miner, trying to make ISK, minding my own business in 0.7 security. A good day to play, I've been mining for like 6-7 hours already. Making that ISK. Then I see two destroyers coming in and blowing up my Hulk along with my pod. What a great design. What a great game to play.

Let's assume these two Catalysts cost 10mil to make ready to fly.
Let's assume I made my Hulk by spending 250mil. Insured it for 20m too.
10m kills 250mil before Concord can react to, in a 0.7 security.

What a reasonable ratio. What magical numbers I see. The math here is incredibly satisfying.

So 6-7 hours I spent mining are down the drain. Incredible design! So correct! So on point!
I am loving this game so freaking much!

Thank you CCP! Can't wait to buy another Hulk and go through this again! So exciting!
PAPULA
The Chodak
Void Alliance
#2 - 2016-04-30 17:07:08 UTC
I suggest you go do some level 1 - 4 missions, it's way more profitable and you will have battleship at the end for level 4 missions which can't be killed with 2 destroyers.
Mikael Owen
Minmatar Fleet Academy
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#3 - 2016-04-30 17:11:48 UTC
Yeah I think I will be doing other things. Earning like 11-14m per hour doesn't really help with this mess. So discouraging and annoying.
PAPULA
The Chodak
Void Alliance
#4 - 2016-04-30 17:13:42 UTC
Good level 4 mission will get you 30 million in 15min
Aluanna
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2016-04-30 17:13:55 UTC
Mikael Owen wrote:
Yeah I think I will be doing other things. Earning like 11-14m per hour doesn't really help with this mess. So discouraging and annoying.


You could also you know, fit any sort of tank on a mining barge.. like at all?
Mikael Owen
Minmatar Fleet Academy
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#6 - 2016-04-30 17:18:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Mikael Owen
Well I activated my three shield mods (Adaptive Invul was on all the time). I guess I should just make a tank out of my Hulk than a miner. Like use both armor and shield tank and tanking rigs and even electronic warfare mods and also logistics drones.

Yeah! Great idea! I will just do that!

Thank you Aluana you really opened my eyes! Thanks a lot!
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#7 - 2016-04-30 17:22:59 UTC
as a miner for 12 years... dude...

1) fit a better tank or use a mack, it has a better tank.

2) mine with your friends

3) join another corp

4) stop whining and don't afk mine, seriously you should of been able to tank them both or bail when you saw them.

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Tomika
Doomheim
#8 - 2016-04-30 17:23:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Tomika
I feel like this kill mail was generated purely for trolling purposes.

If it wasn't, consider this a learning experience and in future don't go solo mining in an expensive ship with weak defences, T1 mids and no tanking rigs.

Also I'm surprised someone with the mental fortitude to withstand 7 hours of mining would be upset about all this.
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2016-04-30 17:27:23 UTC
1. Don't mine in a Hulk unless you're in a fleet. Use a Mack or a Skiff, Hulks are made of paper and the small mining yield bonus doesn't make up for losing them to gankers.

2. Keep an eye on local, set your overview correctly and set any known ganking groups to -10. If anything in local goes flashy or is red, dock up.

3. Most importantly, realize that high sec is not meant to be a safe haven. There is no absolute safety in EVE and high sec isn't the safest place to mine in by far. I'd tell you to join a null-sec alliance and mine in null-sec, but I think most of null is currently on fire so that's not helpful at this point in time.

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Jax Kazen
Doomheim
#10 - 2016-04-30 17:28:28 UTC
Skiff - pure and simple
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2016-04-30 17:31:58 UTC
... and nobody mentioned WoW? Shocked


Eve is dieing for sure....

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Hawke Frost
#12 - 2016-04-30 17:39:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Hawke Frost
Mikael Owen wrote:
Hello there!

So I am a miner, trying to make ISK, minding my own business in 0.7 security. A good day to play, I've been mining for like 6-7 hours already. Making that ISK. Then I see two destroyers coming in and blowing up my Hulk along with my pod. What a great design. What a great game to play.

Let's assume these two Catalysts cost 10mil to make ready to fly.
Let's assume I made my Hulk by spending 250mil. Insured it for 20m too.
10m kills 250mil before Concord can react to, in a 0.7 security.

What a reasonable ratio. What magical numbers I see. The math here is incredibly satisfying.

So 6-7 hours I spent mining are down the drain. Incredible design! So correct! So on point!
I am loving this game so freaking much!

Thank you CCP! Can't wait to buy another Hulk and go through this again! So exciting!


Why should we care about someone who clearly never put in any active effort to read forums, local or anything where it states "if you use a Hulk in high sec and play afk expect to explode". Or more directly, why should we care about someone who plays the game in afk mode, you don't add anything to the sandbox (other than being a target).

The recurring theme here is "you don't put in any effort". The game then rewards you with ****** boring game play, low income and involuntary explosions. Don't like the consequences of you choices, choose differently.
Mikael Owen
Minmatar Fleet Academy
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#13 - 2016-04-30 17:41:48 UTC
DaReaper wrote:
as a miner for 12 years... dude...

1) fit a better tank or use a mack, it has a better tank.

2) mine with your friends

3) join another corp

4) stop whining and don't afk mine, seriously you should of been able to tank them both or bail when you saw them.


Do I look like I am whining? And how did you get the feeling that I was AFK? Big smile
Lessons learned man, don't worry!
Mikael Owen
Minmatar Fleet Academy
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#14 - 2016-04-30 17:43:49 UTC
Hawke Frost wrote:

Why should we care about someone who clearly never put in any active effort to read forums, local or anything where it states "if you use a Hulk in high sec and play afk expect to explode". Or more directly, why should we care about someone who plays the game in afk mode, you don't add anything to the sandbox (other than being a target).

The recurring theme here is "you don't put in any effort". The game then rewards you with ****** boring game play, low income and involuntary explosions. Don't like the consequences of you choices, choose differently.


WoW! You didn't even read this thread did you? And you complaing about me not reading the forums. I wasn't AFK or anything dude. Chiiiiillll. Big smile
Hawke Frost
#15 - 2016-04-30 17:49:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Hawke Frost
Mikael Owen wrote:
Hawke Frost wrote:

Why should we care about someone who clearly never put in any active effort to read forums, local or anything where it states "if you use a Hulk in high sec and play afk expect to explode". Or more directly, why should we care about someone who plays the game in afk mode, you don't add anything to the sandbox (other than being a target).

The recurring theme here is "you don't put in any effort". The game then rewards you with ****** boring game play, low income and involuntary explosions. Don't like the consequences of you choices, choose differently.


WoW! You didn't even read this thread did you? And you complaing about me not reading the forums. I wasn't AFK or anything dude. Chiiiiillll. Big smile


If you see them warping in, why weren't you warping out. Why weren't you running Dscan to check for ships like that. why didn't you set standing to goons, why the FCK are you even in a Hulk, why doesn't it have a decent tank, why did you lose your pod? Those questions are all answered by "effort, yo".

- edit -

And why, for fcks sake, did you lose a hauler with 700+ mil onboard just a few days earlier in Sivala, with a terrible fit that doesn't save you in any way. Same thing, lack of brain effort.

Also yes, you ARE whining in this thread but if you want to learn the reason for why it happened, find a mirror.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#16 - 2016-04-30 17:52:13 UTC
Mikael Owen wrote:
Do I look like I am whining?

noooo not at all ,
definitely none of that going on in here,
not one bit.
also, if you saw them on dscan , why the **** didnt you warp off!?

on a serious note,
add code. ,goons and the lads that slapped you to your contacts as -5 or 10 and always have local open
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#17 - 2016-04-30 17:52:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Mikael Owen wrote:
Hello there!

So I am a miner, trying to make ISK, minding my own business in 0.7 security. A good day to play, I've been mining for like 6-7 hours already. Making that ISK. Then I see two destroyers coming in and blowing up my Hulk along with my pod. What a great design. What a great game to play.
If you see destroyers anywhere near a mining belt, especially Catalysts... GTFO

Quote:
Let's assume these two Catalysts cost 10mil to make ready to fly.
Let's assume I made my Hulk by spending 250mil. Insured it for 20m too.
10m kills 250mil before Concord can react to, in a 0.7 security.

What a reasonable ratio. What magical numbers I see. The math here is incredibly satisfying.
Isk tanking is not a thing, the cost of your ship has absolutley no bearing on the cost of the ships required to kill it; it doesn't exist in the real world either.

Quote:
So 6-7 hours I spent mining are down the drain. Incredible design! So correct! So on point!
I am loving this game so freaking much!
Such is the nature of the game, the tagline for the Citadel expansion was "Wreck Their Dreams"; CCP have delivered on that tagline by letting someone wreck yours.

Quote:
Thank you CCP! Can't wait to buy another Hulk and go through this again! So exciting!
Why are you solo mining in a Hulk? The cargo is pants, the tank crap and the cost too much; it's meant to be used in a fleet with other Hulks and an Orca or Rorqual to take care of the cargo and tank issues.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Mikael Owen
Minmatar Fleet Academy
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#18 - 2016-04-30 17:54:58 UTC
Hawke, dude are you by any chance, uuuhhhmmm a douche? :D

Dude, listen. First of all Hulk is heavy. You don't just warp out. Secondly it all happened fast. I activated my two other shield mods and hoped that the Concord will come. In the meanwhile I jump to hauler and tried to warp her out and she made it out. Get it?

And also please enlighten me on this subject : How would EvE work without miners, doing that boring **** you talk about? So it's boring as ****, not risky and the game is punishing me with ****** rewards. What do you suggest all miners do? I am curious bro.
Beta Maoye
#19 - 2016-04-30 17:57:39 UTC
Welcome to EVE.

P.S. Check the killboard of Uedama before you fly your first freighter.
Mikael Owen
Minmatar Fleet Academy
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#20 - 2016-04-30 17:59:42 UTC
@Jonah Gravenstein : You are right. I will consider your input. Thank you!
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