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Xi-Nu73
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2016-04-28 20:26:47 UTC
Do you have to pay 900k every time you use a jump clone or just one time to have the body installed?
Demica Diaz
SE-1
#2 - 2016-04-28 20:51:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Demica Diaz
If you are docked at an NPC station when you jump to a jump clone, you pay a fee of 900k ISK
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#3 - 2016-04-28 21:57:34 UTC
Erm ... last time I clone jumped it was free.

I only paid to install a clone.

Haven't tried since Citadel release, but I don't remember hearing anything about a mechanics change.
Solonius Rex
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2016-04-29 01:40:20 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Erm ... last time I clone jumped it was free.

I only paid to install a clone.

Haven't tried since Citadel release, but I don't remember hearing anything about a mechanics change.


They changed it, Now you have to pay 900k every time you jump to another clone in another area of space.
pushdogg
relocation LLC.
#5 - 2016-04-29 01:52:37 UTC
I'm not sure I understand this change.
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#6 - 2016-04-29 02:20:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Shae Tadaruwa
pushdogg wrote:
I'm not sure I understand this change.

In Citadels, players can charge what they want for jump capabilities, so if the NPC price is too low, there can be no competitive advantage for players who own Citadels.

By owning a Citadel and setting the price lower, then perhaps you can encourage other players to use your facility. If they are using your Citadel for one thing, then they are also likely to use it for other things (eg. purchases from the market, etc.), which can also bring in income.

So you need a price in NPC stations that allows some flexibility in pricing for alternatives.

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Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#7 - 2016-04-29 02:50:37 UTC
pushdogg wrote:
I'm not sure I understand this change.


Same. lol

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pushdogg
relocation LLC.
#8 - 2016-04-29 02:54:14 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
pushdogg wrote:
I'm not sure I understand this change.

In Citadels, players can charge what they want for jump capabilities, so if the NPC price is too low, there can be no competitive advantage for players who own Citadels.

By owning a Citadel and setting the price lower, then perhaps you can encourage other players to use your facility. If they are using your Citadel for one thing, then they are also likely to use it for other things (eg. purchases from the market, etc.), which can also bring in income.

So you need a price in NPC stations that allows some flexibility in pricing for alternatives.


Seems legit. I need to just put one of these up(citadel that is).
Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2016-04-29 08:30:48 UTC
It's pay 900k every time you jump clone to a different body. A good ISK sink I suppose and a possible "nerf" to power projection I think?

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#10 - 2016-04-29 09:27:37 UTC
Lulu Lunette wrote:
pushdogg wrote:
I'm not sure I understand this change.


Same. lol

its the stick, with clone bays on citadels being the carrot.

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Netan MalDoran
Hail To The King
The Silent Syndicate
#11 - 2016-04-30 15:56:52 UTC
I still dont get the difference, this is just chump change, hell, 5 mil is chump change when you factor in the fact that you only jump every 19 or so hours...

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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2016-04-30 17:01:00 UTC
Yang Aurilen wrote:
It's pay 900k every time you jump clone to a different body. A good ISK sink I suppose and a possible "nerf" to power projection I think?

No not at all. First you can only jump clones at most once every 20 hours. Second when you are talking about large alliance's ability to project force, if these guys can afford to throw supers around the way that you and I do cruisers then the 900K isn't even a consideration. Heck the price of fuel for jumping caps around will cost you more than that.

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Ka Plaa
Doomheim
#13 - 2016-04-30 18:20:32 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
pushdogg wrote:
I'm not sure I understand this change.

In Citadels, players can charge what they want for jump capabilities, so if the NPC price is too low, there can be no competitive advantage for players who own Citadels.

By owning a Citadel and setting the price lower, then perhaps you can encourage other players to use your facility. If they are using your Citadel for one thing, then they are also likely to use it for other things (eg. purchases from the market, etc.), which can also bring in income.

So you need a price in NPC stations that allows some flexibility in pricing for alternatives.

Good explanation of the reason behind this. Kudos







Netan MalDoran wrote:
I still dont get the difference, this is just chump change, hell, 5 mil is chump change when you factor in the fact that you only jump every 19 or so hours...
Well...I'm sure you are aware that it is all relative. NCQA and all...

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Netan MalDoran
Hail To The King
The Silent Syndicate
#14 - 2016-04-30 20:24:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Netan MalDoran
Ka Plaa wrote:

Netan MalDoran wrote:
I still dont get the difference, this is just chump change, hell, 5 mil is chump change when you factor in the fact that you only jump every 19 or so hours...
Well...I'm sure you are aware that it is all relative. NCQA and all...


That doesnt really factor in too much, because if you are a new player, you either:
A: Don't know what a JC is.
B: Dont have a JC yet.
C: Dont have a use for a JC.

I never saw a use for having one until i played the game for about 4 months, I'm sure that most will agree, that by the time you need to have one or want one, small amounts of ISK are easy to come by.

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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2016-05-01 04:29:43 UTC
Netan MalDoran wrote:
Ka Plaa wrote:

Netan MalDoran wrote:
I still dont get the difference, this is just chump change, hell, 5 mil is chump change when you factor in the fact that you only jump every 19 or so hours...
Well...I'm sure you are aware that it is all relative. NCQA and all...


That doesnt really factor in too much, because if you are a new player, you either:
A: Don't know what a JC is.
B: Dont have a JC yet.
C: Dont have a use for a JC.

I never saw a use for having one until i played the game for about 4 months, I'm sure that most will agree, that by the time you need to have one or want one, small amounts of ISK are easy to come by.

Jump clones are the way to get new players out of their expensive learning clones and into cheap PvP early on, now they have to pay 1.8m extra for the roundtrip each day on top of that throw away PvP frigate(s). CCP created a new hurdle to expierience and accommodate to loss, sounds right. IMO not necessary at all, because Citadels have a unique advantage many will be willing to pay much more than those 900k per jump ...

I'm my own NPC alt.
Netan MalDoran
Hail To The King
The Silent Syndicate
#16 - 2016-05-01 05:05:35 UTC
Tipa Riot wrote:
Netan MalDoran wrote:
Ka Plaa wrote:

Netan MalDoran wrote:
I still dont get the difference, this is just chump change, hell, 5 mil is chump change when you factor in the fact that you only jump every 19 or so hours...
Well...I'm sure you are aware that it is all relative. NCQA and all...


That doesnt really factor in too much, because if you are a new player, you either:
A: Don't know what a JC is.
B: Dont have a JC yet.
C: Dont have a use for a JC.

I never saw a use for having one until i played the game for about 4 months, I'm sure that most will agree, that by the time you need to have one or want one, small amounts of ISK are easy to come by.

Jump clones are the way to get new players out of their expensive learning clones and into cheap PvP early on, now they have to pay 1.8m extra for the roundtrip each day on top of that throw away PvP frigate(s). CCP created a new hurdle to expierience and accommodate to loss, sounds right. IMO not necessary at all, because Citadels have a unique advantage many will be willing to pay much more than those 900k per jump ...


Well, you kind of just contradicted the point, if they have 'expensive' learning clones, then less than a mil shouldn't be bad, plus how many new players do you know have a dedicated learning clone with a set of low to mid range implants?

"Your security status has been lowered." - Hell yeah it was!

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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2016-05-01 06:44:43 UTC
Netan MalDoran wrote:
Tipa Riot wrote:
Netan MalDoran wrote:
Ka Plaa wrote:

Netan MalDoran wrote:
I still dont get the difference, this is just chump change, hell, 5 mil is chump change when you factor in the fact that you only jump every 19 or so hours...
Well...I'm sure you are aware that it is all relative. NCQA and all...


That doesnt really factor in too much, because if you are a new player, you either:
A: Don't know what a JC is.
B: Dont have a JC yet.
C: Dont have a use for a JC.

I never saw a use for having one until i played the game for about 4 months, I'm sure that most will agree, that by the time you need to have one or want one, small amounts of ISK are easy to come by.

Jump clones are the way to get new players out of their expensive learning clones and into cheap PvP early on, now they have to pay 1.8m extra for the roundtrip each day on top of that throw away PvP frigate(s). CCP created a new hurdle to expierience and accommodate to loss, sounds right. IMO not necessary at all, because Citadels have a unique advantage many will be willing to pay much more than those 900k per jump ...


Well, you kind of just contradicted the point, if they have 'expensive' learning clones, then less than a mil shouldn't be bad, plus how many new players do you know have a dedicated learning clone with a set of low to mid range implants?

Well ISK spent on learning implants can't be spent for something else anymore. Blink Not sure how many but I think a lot of players start with a PLEX worth of ISK either from buddy invite or as a start investment, and learning imps is the first most useful thing to buy from that (beside skill injectors). Even if you start poor and grind the way to a 30m set, 1.8m protection fee per day is not nothing. Of course this all does not matter if you never leave highsec or join one of the big nullsec blocks ...

I'm my own NPC alt.
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2016-05-01 15:01:26 UTC
Netan MalDoran wrote:


Well, you kind of just contradicted the point, if they have 'expensive' learning clones, then less than a mil shouldn't be bad, plus how many new players do you know have a dedicated learning clone with a set of low to mid range implants?

"Expensive" is a subjective term with no quantifiable objective meaning. To a new player a 3 million isk implant could be expensive.

Learn the difference between your opinion an objective facts before you accuse someone of being wrong or contradictory.

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