Player Features and Ideas Discussion

It is not an exploit so long as it is not causing lag.

No, it's called a question with a heavy dose of sarcasm.

Yes, if you are going to be in NS ratting, mining, etc. you should be on your toes. Ready for things to go sideways. And one response is to change your behavior to shift things to your advantage. Ratting as a group would accomplish this. Let me be very specific:

1. If the guy is truly AFK...no problem. He won't be lighting a cyno. Ever. Nobody AFK has ever lit a cyno.

2. If he is not AFK then your group is much less likely to be attacked when you are in a group. Granted you might have 10 guys and they have 20, but hey...nobody said the game was supposed to be safe. Further, if he is ATK and you are in a group and it is too much for his buddies he will do one of the following:

A. Log off in system--yay, go do what you want.
B. Leave system--yay go do what you want.
C. Go AFK in system--yay he can't light a cyno, keep ratting.

okay so why do you think people leave their cloaked char online for the entire day, knowing they'll only play for a small amount?
he obviously can't kill anyone while he's afk, so why leave the PC running all day long?

it's an honest question

Keep fleeting up and doing your ratting that way.

Please

We brits don't understand why you call jam jelly

I know this will come as a shock to truesec players but many nullsec areas are kinda poor and don't have enough active content to sustain a ratting fleet that can counter a drop. reinforce and vulnerability windows exist because eve CCP agrees that "owning" a system isn't about maintaining your full power 24/7 and gluing people to the chair.

anyway, my goal was to get CCP-s opinion not that of people faking ignorance to make their statement.

keep telling yourself you're hardcore for afking. you guys rock!

o7

/sigh. It sounds like you need to join a more competent group. Let me explain it to you. Join a fleet as soon as you log in. Fit a point to your ishtar/snake/etc when ratting, switch to a procurer/skiff when mining, fit a point to that as well. When you are dropped, say in comms (you are on comms, right?) "hey, I need help in xxx system". Your sabre/flycatcher/etc that's on standby (you have one on standby, right? you are in null after all) takes the 20 seconds to get to your system and bubble the blob. 20 seconds later the rest of your standing fleet lands and counters.

Don't claim "it doesn't work in reality" as an excuse for not being organized.



You do know what raising your index in null means, yeah?

Doesn't "not enough active content" from a null group just mean they didn't put in the effort to develop their pocket?

Ahh we've just got jams and preserves......something to do with fruit content, We've weird rules on fruit content.... not truly sure I want to know them all to be honest, just that jams and preserves depend upon how much fruit is involved. Although ADSA (part of the WALMART family)* do/did do a striped PB and jam in one jar.

(*other retailers are available.)

And back on subject..........(Finally)

I just want there to be a mechanism where an AFK cloaker can be hunted down and routed out. If it takes a while then so be it, It's not like he's going anywhere :P.

And if the person is is actually scouting and hunting or gathering intel, They'll already be on their toes so will be easily able to avoid probes or warp around or get into position away from the danger.

It just seems like there is to much protection for people to Log in then hide and do Fluff all else except keep local on their toes needlessly.

I use cloaks and I do hunt ( mostly NPC's and exploration) I do see the point of recon and cryo bubbles, it's the going AFK in a system for days on end. I do see the point of standing up for fleets and remaining on Comms. BUT.....

If you're willing to sit in pod in a cloaked ship and use said ship then do so.

KNOWINGLY agitating areas of space without risk to yourself by causing increased levels of fleet activity for SOMEONE WHO IS POSING A THREAT BY THEIR POTENTIAL ACTIONS, when they are actually AFK (and by AFK i mean totally AFK and not coming back anytime soon, not just nipped off for a RL break for a few minutes) then you should be able to hunt the b*gg*r down and teach them the ways of watching local, spamming D-scan and stop thinking going AFK and causing problems for others is acceptable.

I don't mean that they suddenly appear gift wrapped with a crate of Quafe in front of your battle ready fleet with big targets painted on their sides. I want to actively work at hunting the git....erm i mean AFK cloaker......(they maybe really nice people........maybe)......... but to undock in EVE is risky, to gate jump and just live in EVE is risky.

To annoy inhabitants of systems whilst cloaked and then to LEAVE said character whilst you watch TV, scratch itchy parts of anatomy and ignore said character because you're AFK for protracted periods of time........IS NOT RISKY. And you should then expect to have a fleet appearing and then sweeping an area looking for you.

Sorry to rant on, well no actually i'm not.
Play fair is all I ask.
Hunting people is fair because it's counter able.
Baiting is fair because pirates need to know fear as well.
Bumping miners is questionable at best but can be countered by a fleet bumping them back!
AFK Cloaking is neither counterable nor is it ethical. IT should have consequences.
Everything else in EVE does.......................

Its weird that CCP does not have any comment on this issue yet.

Seems CCP will possibliy dedicate a Observatory Arrays and Gates for that purpose...


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