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AFK Cloaking™: Ideas, Discussion, and Proposals

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#5901 - 2016-04-29 19:07:31 UTC
Daniel Ornulf wrote:
Quote:
If I am AFK in my cloaked ship...how am I getting "free" kills?


"if I hold a knife at someone's throat, why does police arrest me?"


Now that is just plain old vanilla stupid.

Also, noting you did not answer the question...almost surely because it highlights the stupidity inherent in your claim.

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#5902 - 2016-04-29 19:08:41 UTC
Again, the questions are:

1. If I am AFK how am I getting free kills?
2. Does baiting work?

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Daniel Ornulf
Grae Universe Enterprise
#5903 - 2016-04-29 19:10:29 UTC
"hey, I'm not doing anything, just carefully holding my knife at your throat, go on with your day don't let me bother you"
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#5904 - 2016-04-29 19:16:42 UTC
Daniel Ornulf wrote:
"hey, I'm not doing anything, just carefully holding my knife at your throat, go on with your day don't let me bother you"


You are stuck on stupid.

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Isaac Armer
The Soup Kitchen
#5905 - 2016-04-29 19:25:49 UTC
Daniel Ornulf wrote:
LOL talking about risk when sitting safe and cozy in a 30mil ship looking for free kills.

you haven't countered any arguments, just derailed it, now go back to playing the game.

ah right...I forgot...you prefer to AFK

I'm kinda fascinated by the way you guys can lie...it's not actually lying, just ignoring obvious parts of the truth to make your bs argument. must be fun at court rooms


The 30mil cloaked ship isn't what they are risking. It's the several billion ISK in ships they bring in for a hot drop. Thats into your home systems! Be on alert and get a few billion isk killed. One more time, the cloaked ship isn't the risk, what the cyno brings through is. That's a LOT of isk to risk on field.

The irony is I'm sitting here defending cloaky campers as nearly a 100% PvE guy....
Daniel Ornulf
Grae Universe Enterprise
#5906 - 2016-04-29 20:15:09 UTC
Quote:
The irony is I'm sitting here defending cloaky campers as nearly a 100% PvE guy....


that explains why you have no clue what it's like to be in a standing fleet or what it exactly takes to counter a drop (and why it's not viable against campers).

sorry to burst your bubble, but the scenarios you make up in your head don't work in reality. it's OK, we all do it, it's nothing to be ashamed of, and when you try playing the game yourself you'll realize this.

have a great day!
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#5907 - 2016-04-29 20:16:41 UTC
Isaac Armer wrote:
Daniel Ornulf wrote:
LOL talking about risk when sitting safe and cozy in a 30mil ship looking for free kills.

you haven't countered any arguments, just derailed it, now go back to playing the game.

ah right...I forgot...you prefer to AFK

I'm kinda fascinated by the way you guys can lie...it's not actually lying, just ignoring obvious parts of the truth to make your bs argument. must be fun at court rooms


The 30mil cloaked ship isn't what they are risking. It's the several billion ISK in ships they bring in for a hot drop. Thats into your home systems! Be on alert and get a few billion isk killed. One more time, the cloaked ship isn't the risk, what the cyno brings through is. That's a LOT of isk to risk on field.

The irony is I'm sitting here defending cloaky campers as nearly a 100% PvE guy....


By the way, there is some serious logic problems here. If they can light the cyno, and ships bridge in...they are not AFK, they are ATK.

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#5908 - 2016-04-29 20:23:51 UTC
Daniel Ornulf wrote:
Quote:
The irony is I'm sitting here defending cloaky campers as nearly a 100% PvE guy....


that explains why you have no clue what it's like to be in a standing fleet or what it exactly takes to counter a drop (and why it's not viable against campers).

sorry to burst your bubble, but the scenarios you make up in your head don't work in reality. it's OK, we all do it, it's nothing to be ashamed of, and when you try playing the game yourself you'll realize this.

have a great day!


Sure they work.

10 guys in a system, on voice comms, in the same fleet have very little to fear from a cloaked ship. Especially if you buddy up.

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Cidanel Afuran
Grant Village
#5909 - 2016-04-29 20:43:06 UTC
Daniel Ornulf wrote:
that explains why you have no clue what it's like to be in a standing fleet or what it exactly takes to counter a drop (and why it's not viable against campers).

sorry to burst your bubble, but the scenarios you make up in your head don't work in reality. it's OK, we all do it, it's nothing to be ashamed of, and when you try playing the game yourself you'll realize this.

have a great day!


I tried to give up on this thread 50 pages ago, but like a fat man to cake, it's drawing me back in.

I've live in HS, LS, null and WHs. I've played for over four years now. 90% of the time, less than half of corpmates in nullsec corps are both in a standing defense fleet, on comms and have a PvP ship ready to go in in-system POSes to quickly reship for a counter-drop. The sheer amount of carebears who simply refuse to want to defend themselves is a big reason why I left null for good.

In my corp now, if I was active (anywhere but HS) and wasn't in a standing fleet and on comms, my own corp would neut me out as a warning, and if I didn't listen and join up on fleet/comms, they would blow up my ship as punishment for not taking home security seriously, even if I was just doing some low key PvE.

As it should be anywhere outside of HS.

It's OK though, its nothing to be ashamed of, once you join a group thats actually prepared and organized to live outside of HS you'll realize this.
Daniel Ornulf
Grae Universe Enterprise
#5910 - 2016-04-29 21:11:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniel Ornulf
Quote:
10 guys in a system, on voice comms, in the same fleet have very little to fear from a cloaked ship. Especially if you buddy up.


10 guys doing nothing but waiting for one character (of a multiboxer who's either playing on his main or watching cartoons) to make a move 24/7.

even if this is true (I doubt it) it would just be proof of how dumb this situation is
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#5911 - 2016-04-29 21:19:12 UTC
Daniel Ornulf wrote:
Quote:
10 guys in a system, on voice comms, in the same fleet have very little to fear from a cloaked ship. Especially if you buddy up.


10 guys doing nothing but waiting for one character (of a multiboxer who's either playing on his main or watching cartoons) to make a move 24/7.

even if this is true (I doubt it) it would just be proof of how dumb this situation is


Who said anything about doing nothing. Buddy up and burn down havens and sanctums. Fit the ships for PvP. Anyone jumping in and engaging, send that 6,000 DPS their way.

Sheesh. Do you need me to tell you how to make a PB&J next? P

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Daniel Ornulf
Grae Universe Enterprise
#5912 - 2016-04-29 21:58:09 UTC
if you get dropped by 6 blops they'll finish salvaging your wreck by the time your first friend lands on grid (aka whelps his ship)

again, the issue here is not the drop, but the fact that you're forced to anticipate a fleet coming literally out of nowhere, without any warning while the other guy is watching cartoons or having fun on his other chars.

if I wanted this, I'd live in a WH
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#5913 - 2016-04-29 22:08:00 UTC
Daniel Ornulf wrote:
if you get dropped by 6 blops they'll finish salvaging your wreck by the time your first friend lands on grid (aka whelps his ship)

again, the issue here is not the drop, but the fact that you're forced to anticipate a fleet coming literally out of nowhere, without any warning while the other guy is watching cartoons or having fun on his other chars.

if I wanted this, I'd live in a WH


Like I said work as a group. They are working as a group. You want to defeat them...use their tactics.

Further, with local and realizing a guy is there and likely cloaked, this should not be "coming out of nowhere".

And you are truly terrible if you are ratting alone, yell for help and people warp in to help one at time (unless you are hictor or dictor pilot). You deserve everything you get at that point.

And I doubt they'd be salvaging anything. When you just dropped several billion ISK On the field ganked and ishtar, might be a good idea to GTFO before the calvary arrives.

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Brokk Witgenstein
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5914 - 2016-04-29 22:11:14 UTC
"the fact that you're forced to anticipate a fleet coming literally out of nowhere"

That's the general idea! Exciting, isn't it?
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#5915 - 2016-04-29 22:20:26 UTC
Look, if you are in a system with your buddies and no hostiles are around....do whatever you want (rat, mine, PI, etc.). Still I'd strongly recommend being on voice comes and any standing fleet.

If you log in and there is a guy you strongly suspect is AFK in system, then absolutely get on voice comms, get in a fleet. Fit your ishtars to a PvP fit. Undock as a group, start burning down sanctums and havens. Since you are in PvP fits you'll be a much tougher target and with a group even more so.

You make ISK, you keep your ADMs up and you are even socializing. My goodness, the horror of it all. If you get enough people, you might even be able to have a group off mining and one ratting. With the ratting fleet going and helping to defend the mining fleet. Oh, and get an alt with boosts....maybe an alt with a dictor as well.

Seriously, all this whining about not being able to engage in casual almost careless play because of guys who are careful and putting for not inconsiderable effort is amazing.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

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Daniel Ornulf
Grae Universe Enterprise
#5916 - 2016-04-29 22:21:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniel Ornulf
Quote:
That's the general idea! Exciting, isn't it?


oh yeah! let's add a mechanic so the camper has to be on his toes nonstop as well! exciting!

Quote:
Seriously, all this whining about not being able to engage in casual almost careless play because of guys who are careful and putting for not inconsiderable effort is amazing.



LOL effort, casual. we're talking about people who play 10 minutes a day and force a dozen others to glue their eyes on the screen 24/7. are you kidding right now?
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#5917 - 2016-04-29 22:24:44 UTC
Oh, and I'll give you some additional help here....

To make a PB&J, take two slices of bread and lay them on a plate or cutting board. Get out a knife. Open the jar of peanut butter and stick the knife in there and get the desired amount of peanut butter on the knife. Spread the peanut butter around on 1 slice of bread with the knife. Repeat this process with the jelly, but on the other slice. That last part is key as it is easier to spread jelly on piece of bread with nothing on it than the slice with the peanut butter. When you are done, stick the 2 slices of bread together. Don't forget to put the peanut butter and jelly away and wash the knife.

HTH, HAND. P

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Brokk Witgenstein
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5918 - 2016-04-29 22:25:02 UTC
We are. It's called hotdropping, logoff trap, pinch manoevres, combat links, deadspace fitted roflstomp Tengus ..... you name it, we've seen it. Quite exciting indeed.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#5919 - 2016-04-29 22:27:56 UTC
Daniel Ornulf wrote:
Quote:
That's the general idea! Exciting, isn't it?


oh yeah! let's add a mechanic so the camper has to be on his toes nonstop as well! exciting!

Quote:
Seriously, all this whining about not being able to engage in casual almost careless play because of guys who are careful and putting for not inconsiderable effort is amazing.



LOL effort, casual. we're talking about people who play 10 minutes a day and force a dozen others to glue their eyes on the screen 24/7. are you kidding right now?


Sooo....let me make sure I get this right. You want to be in NS and not have to be paying attention? Would like CCP to add a feature where you can turn off the gates?

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Daniel Ornulf
Grae Universe Enterprise
#5920 - 2016-04-29 22:29:02 UTC
yeah giving it a name suddenly makes it perfectly OK. damn, we should've given a name to dropping cans around a stargate, then it wouldn't have been considered an exploit...